Navigating Uncertain Times with Astrology, Shadow Work, and Conscious Co-Creation: An Interview with Nathan
Dive into the world of astrology, shadow work, and conscious co-creation with @CeeJayBarnaby and his friend Nathan on the #Supernormalized podcast. Explore how to navigate uncertain times and unlock your true desires. #Astrology #ShadowWork #Manifestation https://supernormalized.com/183yt/
October 22, 2025

Astrology, Shadow Work, and Conscious Co-Creation Interview with Nathan

Dive into the world of astrology, shadow work, and conscious co-creation with @CeeJayBarnaby and his friend Nathan on the #Supernormalized podcast. Explore how to navigate uncertain times and unlock your true desires. #Astrology #ShadowWork #Manifestation https://supernormalized.com/183yt/
Navigating Uncertain Times with Astrology, Shadow Work, and Conscious Co-Creation: An Interview with Nathan
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Navigating Uncertain Times with Astrology, Shadow Work, and Conscious Co-Creation: An Interview with Nathan
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Nathan, CeeJay Barnaby’s friend, joins Supernormalized podcast to discuss how astrology, shadow work, and the current state of the world can be navigated through conscious co-creative practices. They delve into the disruptive nature of Uranus’ ingress into Gemini, the importance of understanding one’s desires beyond just seeking more money, and the transformative power of integrating one’s shadow.

Nathan shares his personal journey of shadow healing and how it has made his magic more precise and powerful. He emphasizes the significance of developing a daily devotional practice that aligns with one’s astrological blueprint, allowing one to embody their true self and increase the flow of magic and beauty in their life.

The conversation explores the idea of becoming a “bridge” between the physical and spiritual realms, tapping into the primal, archetypal forces of the universe to heal the body and the shadow. Nathan and CeeJay discuss the importance of gratitude and right relation with the planetary energies, creating an energetic loop that amplifies the manifestation of one’s desires.

Transcript

CeeJay Barnaby (00:32)
Today on Super Normalized, we’re doing something a little different. I’ve invited my friend Nathan over for a conversation about astrology, shadow work, and the things that are happening in the world right now and how you can work with them in more conscious co-creative ways. The conversation delves deep on how astrology can affect somebody, how you can actually work with those effects, and then how you can remediate them.

to help yourself through life. Nathan’s also going to be doing a course soon with Gordon White of Rune Soup, which is called The Shaman’s Devil. It’s a deep dive on shadow work. And in our recent conversations that we have almost weekly, Nathan and I hatched this idea for this conversation. So if you’re interested in shadow work,

personal change and how that can roll out for you in different ways according to your own astrology, this episode will be very interesting for you.

So please enjoy this show.

Speaker 2 (01:47)
So welcome to Super Normalized. Today we have Nathan, my good magical friend here, and we’re going to be discussing a series of understandings that we’ve both been talking about, but this time we’re going to catch it on camera ⁓ and explore conversations around shadow work, astrology, what’s going on in the world and more.

So welcome to the show. Thank very much. So Nathan is my second person, third person in-person interview. And I’m sure you’ll enjoy it because we always have these great conversations. We actually meet for lunch nearly every week or we aim to every week. And when we do, we often sit there and go, God, we should have recorded that.

Speaker 1 (02:15)
Thank you.

Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:38)
So now we’re recording that. And hopefully we sound, we’ve decided we would like to sound intelligent and interesting. ⁓ Because our conversations do sound intelligent and interesting to us. So we’re hoping you will enjoy. So.

You’ve got them. Here we go. So desire in the age of disruption, astrology, shadow, devotion and becoming a conduit. Where do we start with that?

Speaker 1 (03:21)
I think the other day we started with Uranus’s ingress into Gemini and the disruptive sort of nature of that by design. ⁓ So for me it’s conjoining my IC which is not fun. ⁓ That’s very foundational. It’s about home and family and of course I’m moving house now.

Speaker 2 (03:44)
Yeah,

and you mentioned earlier today for me that’s moving into my perception of money and finances and shaking it all up.

Speaker 1 (03:54)
Yeah,

so your area, house of resources and all that sort of fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (03:58)
Yeah, well, that’s going to be interesting to see how that plays out for me. I mean, I’ve been in concern mode for a little while because of the way the world is going anyway, but it’ll be interesting to see how much more concern I can get. Probably shocking concerns, right?

Speaker 1 (04:14)
It’s Uranus, so a lot.

I mean, natally I’ve got Uranus conjoined my ⁓ MC, so it’s a very significant factor for me, like in my natal chart, just naturally. And it comes with a sense of doom. Like that seems to be one of the things that ⁓ manifests from significant Uranus transits is that that fear of the chaos and ⁓ uncertainty that it brings, even though that’s not necessarily foundational.

Speaker 2 (04:43)
Yeah, right, so Uranus for itself really does bring sort of uncertainty and a shake up for anyone. How would someone look that up in their own chart? ⁓

Speaker 1 (04:53)
You’d need to go into one of the programs that have your chart and then find the glyph and see where it is. It’ll be entering Gemini at this point, so that’s fairly obvious, should be fairly obvious in most people’s charts. And then find out which house that you’re looking at ⁓ and the topic area of that house will be where probably you’re feeling the most uncertain about things.

Speaker 2 (05:14)
Yeah, right, right, so… ⁓

Speaker 1 (05:18)
Yeah, I mean, it doesn’t

always have that feeling. Like it doesn’t always bear out that feeling of doom and concern that comes with it. Like the surprises can be good with Uranus, not always, but I think it’s important. Like something that I’m trying to work on is not letting that run away with me.

because it has shaped a lot of my career where I’ve looked specifically for jobs that are incredibly stable and secure and long lasting because I’ve always been afraid of not having a job and losing that job and not having the means to support myself. ⁓ And that’s baked into my natal chart with the Uranus placement there. And I’ve noticed as it transits through the houses, you get that progression of fear and uncertainty. But…

It can also be accurate. the house that I’m living in, the ceiling is literally falling in on me. Like danger from the sky is a very literal, Uranian sort of metaphor. But also, like, I possibly could have worked through that and ⁓ stayed there and repaired the roof and managed it that way and then come out ahead still.

Speaker 2 (06:08)
Thank

station. ⁓

Speaker 1 (06:28)
But I’m choosing instead to go with that change, the change that Uranus is bringing and just drop everything and move, like make a complete change as part of the manifestation of that transit for me.

Speaker 2 (06:43)
It’s almost like life is bringing your shadow into reality.

Speaker 1 (06:48)
Yes. I’ve got heavy 12th house stuff in my chart, so it’s all shadow for me. But it is. Yeah, I mean, it’s the time for it. We’re entering the shadow phase of Western civilization where people realize what the shadow is, why it doesn’t work, where we’re going with it. And if people don’t start to work on that, then the shadow rules. And we all can guess where that’s going based on current events.

Speaker 2 (06:54)
That’s going on for everyone though.

Yeah, so our next topic I think that is we’re rolling into there is fear, desire and decision making, fear, desire and decision making in unstable times.

Speaker 1 (07:31)
Yeah, I mean, it’s like what I saying with the Uranus Transit is ⁓ it can be good, it can be bad, but the default setting for human beings is to look for the bad. ⁓ And we’re entering really uncertain times and it’s a survival mechanism. Like that’s how it’s supposed to work, but you have to be aware of that. ⁓ And you have to, yeah, you have to consciously make the choice rather than letting your fear decide for you. Because I realized as part of this, this time in my life that all of my major life decisions have been made based on moving

away from discomfort rather than towards something enjoyable or something that I really wanted. So like the job that I first chose was because I didn’t want to do the other things that were available to me. The job that I have now is because there wasn’t anything else available and I needed a job and I stuck with it probably longer than I should have but that was the thing. The place where I’m living it was easier for me to buy the place that I was renting and living in than it was to look for another place even though it wasn’t perfect and

The ceiling is now falling down.

Speaker 2 (08:31)
say. But there was, there was a good outcome.

Speaker 1 (08:34)
But that’s yeah, that’s the thing is like none of them have been bad outcomes. I don’t regret any of those decisions. ⁓ They were good for me, perfect for me at that time in my life. Everything has worked out so far, but they’ve never been a conscious choice to go, this is what I want. And I’m moving towards that. I’m choosing what I want. I was always choosing away from what I didn’t want. And it’s, I think that’s a very significant thing that a lot of people miss in life is that ⁓ if you let

If you don’t understand what you want, if you don’t understand your true desires, if you’re operating out of fear and scarcity mode, then you tend to move away from discomfort more than towards your joy. And that I think is a really important distinction to make.

Speaker 2 (09:14)
you

Well, I

mean, I think the key thing is there is to recognize those internal parts and acknowledge them appropriately. And in doing so, then they don’t have power over you unconsciously.

Speaker 1 (09:32)
Yeah, I mean those those internal parts that come from that those traumatic experiences that were foundational to your psyche those things that rule you in fear They have a role to play like they will always be part of you. can’t get rid of them You can’t like suppressing them literally makes them worse ⁓ But they

they can function in a much more healthy way than they usually currently are for most people. they can, instead of taking you over and forcing you to operate out of their fears, the fears that were established when they were created from the initial trauma event, probably when you’re a small child, they ⁓ then become in your adult self, they can become advisors and they go, hey, I’ve spotted this thing that you might not have thought of. This is panicking me as a,

a part of you, think about that rather than them taking over and trying to operate as if you were two years old and you your parent just yelled at you or something like that.

Speaker 2 (10:33)
Well, we’re talking so people understand it around a book where both, well, Nathan’s read it, I’m reading it. It’s called No Bad Parts. And the understanding in that is that there are, we’re built up of multitudes of characters and personality and within that, those unrecognized parts of self can.

control you and cause issues in your life if they’re not resolved accurately. But they all can be approached and…

Consciously, ⁓ approach consciously and in doing so it not only empowers them to help guide you as Nathan was just discussing then. It makes life flow better and makes for more authentic ⁓ inner connection for the self but then outer connection because you aren’t basically projecting all your garbage into the world. Right, so.

Speaker 1 (11:33)
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:38)
Okay, so you’ve talked here and we’ve got notes that we’re going off because Nathan is amazing at writing notes.

Speaker 1 (11:47)
I

get lost in…

Speaker 2 (11:49)
I’m like, did you chat GPT in this? I don’t know. Because it’s so well written. yeah, but going back into it here, you’ve got parts about here, the eighth and twelfth house heavy charts and ⁓ especially for those people with trauma scarcity conditioning. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:13)
Well, mean, everyone’s got an eighth to twelfth house. So you’ll have ⁓ parts of your chart that activate those things. it’s the eighth is is the house of death and ⁓ debt and all those terrible things that just sort of stick with you through life. And the twelfth house is the house of your undoing and ⁓ your mental illness, the seclusion from society, whether that’s in a mental institution or prison or a spiritual retreat. And so they’re the

Speaker 2 (12:42)
related.

Speaker 1 (12:43)
Well,

they’re all isolating places where you just have to deal with yourself, like your internal self. ⁓

Speaker 2 (12:48)
of all the spiritual

dreams out there going, what?

Speaker 1 (12:51)
That’s

obviously the best manifestation that you can get. So we’re aiming for that and trying to avoid prison when it comes to 12 house stuff. yeah, so those ones like they’re operating for everyone. And I think that goes into the the no bad parts theory where as you grow up, you’re

Speaker 2 (12:58)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:12)
those houses activate and you get traumas that create these parts of your psyche that are conditioned to respond in really specific ways ⁓ to perceive threats that they felt at a time when your psyche was not able to deal with them, like was not mature enough or strong enough to be able to deal with them itself. So it sort of carved off a piece of itself and locked it away and said, I’ll deal with that when I’m able. Most people don’t get to that point where they go, I’m able to deal with that now.

So they’re stuck with those parts that are operating as if they were two years old again. ⁓ And they are like, when you actually go and talk to them as the book sort of gives examples of, ⁓ most of them don’t realize that you’re actually an adult now. And they’re kind of surprised to know that, to realize that, ⁓

it’s actually been 40 years since this thing happened and this this true self like the inner self that is the core you is now fully capable of dealing with this stuff and it’s it’s generally a bit of a stretch for them to get to the point where they can trust you to actually allow you to deal with the things that they’ve been desperately controlling for so long because that’s been their sole focus ⁓ and sole function and like it was necessary at the time like they’re beautiful things because they did something to keep you alive

Speaker 2 (14:32)
Thanks

Speaker 1 (14:33)
but

they’re also traumatized and they have other functions that they might want to do, other things that they want to do that they enjoy more than keeping part of you suppressed that might ⁓ be traumatic to deal with.

Speaker 2 (14:47)
So we’ve highlighted here desire for money as a prime example.

Speaker 1 (14:54)
So,

I mean, a lot of people, and I know we’ve discussed this as well, is like…

Speaker 2 (15:00)
Yeah, what do you really want?

Speaker 1 (15:01)
Yeah,

when you get into that scarcity mindset, when you get into that, do I want sort of thing? The first thing everyone thinks of is money. I need more money. And, ⁓ and so I’m going to aim for more money. I’m going to do magic and manifestation and a prayer and whatever to try and get more and more money. Yeah. Money is what I need. ⁓ but that’s not actually true because you forget the next part of the sentence, which is I need more money to do something, get something, be something, feel this way, do that thing, be in that place.

Speaker 2 (15:19)
Good.

Speaker 1 (15:31)
And that’s the actual goal. Like the money is the process. It’s the token that allows you to do the thing. It’s the energy that enables the things that you really want to come into being. And it shouldn’t be the target of ⁓ any goal. Like that’s not a goal. It’s a process. ⁓ And as soon as you start to realize that, it will help ⁓ focus your desire. Like you really start to understand what you actually want.

⁓ And then that gives you a whole lot of different tools to get the thing that you actually want because if you’re just going I need more money that means I don’t know you could work 50 hours a week at a job you hate and get lots of money for it, but Yeah, that’s not the thing that you actually want behind that you you know ⁓

Speaker 2 (16:15)
That’s… May it your joy.

to exhaust

or to enjoy what you want anyway.

Speaker 1 (16:25)
Yeah, like you lose sight

of what that actually is. Whereas if you’re aiming for the thing, it might come to you through working 50 hours a week in a horrible job, but it might come to you through a whole bunch of different random ways that the universe thought of that you could never think of yourself.

Speaker 2 (16:40)
I like that you’ve highlighted there that what people really truly want is often safety, freedom, recognition, beauty, time, nourishment, and creative autonomy.

Speaker 1 (16:49)
those are foundational things that people want. And they’re kind of like the opposite of the fears and the 12th house stuff. It’s like, that’s the IC, like where Uranus is now, the fourth house, the place where you’re most safe and secure and comfortable and you have everything that you need. And for me, Uranus is shaking that up right now and it’s going, Hey,

you don’t have a home anymore because that one’s falling apart. What are you going to do? And now I have a chance to go, have to, I, I’m very lucky because I’ve got a place to move to and I can, I can sit there and go, what do I actually want? Like the instinct is to go, Oh, I need a house. I need to spend however much money it costs to get a house in the city, near my job, near all the shops, near all the family, near all my friends. Um, so I can go to the cinema so I can walk to Coles and all that sort of stuff. But I don’t actually know if that’s what I really truly want.

But then I also don’t know if I want, you know, a shack in the woods somewhere that’s isolated from everywhere and beautiful, know, beautiful surrounds and quiet and silence where I can meditate forever. Because I kind of like, you know, electricity and air conditioning and stuff like that. So.

Speaker 2 (17:56)
I

had that with electricity.

Speaker 1 (18:00)
But

it’s one of those things where I have to actually sit down and like, is that really what I want? Like that is a fantasy that part of me wants. Part of me wants to run away from all the scary things in the world and find a little safe place to just away from everything where I can write out whatever chaos is happening over the next few years and then just emerge at the end and be like, okay, that’s all done. I avoided it completely. I’m safe.

Now I can do my life, like do the things that I actually want and then that’s the key, that’s not what I want. Like that is operating from fear, that’s me running away from something that’s uncomfortable, not towards something that I actually want. And it’s a really fine distinction because maybe I actually do want, you know, an isolated house that’s really beautiful and peaceful. Pretty sure there’s something in there for me but…

I want to be able to choose that consciously and I don’t want it to come out of the fear of what’s going on in the world right now. Because then I’m locked into that fear of what’s happening in the world right now. I’m manifesting that fear and it becomes the ruling force of my life rather than joy.

Speaker 2 (18:56)
Hmm.

Yeah, well, totally get that and that’s part of the driver of some of my planning now with my wife to move to Nicaragua. ⁓ You know, and we talked about this the other day, you were like, but what do really want when you get there? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:23)
We’re in a really similar situation. We’ve got these major life changes that involve where we live. Yours is based on the resources and mine is based on the literal physical home. But we end up in the same sort of place where we have to think about what we actually want from our lives. Like this is a major transition for us and it opens up the possibilities to to reevaluate all that stuff. Mercury retrograde while we’re recording this. So you think about all these things.

Speaker 2 (19:52)
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (19:53)

This is the time to re-evaluate all that stuff and really work it out and decide whether you actually want the thing that you are aiming for or if it’s triggered by some part of you that is terrified of losing stuff.

Speaker 2 (20:08)
Yeah, yeah. As we’ve discussed many times, a part of the change is letting go. it’s actually felt really good to go through my covers and find things that I’ve held on for a long time. say, I don’t really actually need this.

Speaker 1 (20:26)
It’s almost

tormentizing in itself the amount of crap that I’ve got.

Speaker 2 (20:29)
I know it’s weird, like, why did I keep that?

Speaker 1 (20:32)
Again, that’s a, that’s a scarcity mindset thing is like, might need that. I might not have that resource in the future and I might desperately need it. What if I don’t have it? Will the world end because I don’t have that thing. And that’s not like a mature, sensible part of your psyche that’s responding to that. That’s the child that had their toy taken away. And the, like, that was really traumatic for a child because at that point, the toy is all you have. It’s part of you. And if it’s taken away, that creates a traumatic event that creates a part that needs to be suppressed because you’re.

psyche is not developed enough to be able to deal with it and then that carries through your entire life. This one event that most people wouldn’t even notice now as an adult but for the child at that time it was really terrible. Yeah it was everything ⁓ and then that part of you then controls because it’s so rooted in fear and survival because at that point that was a survival issue for the child. ⁓

it factors into everything like how you operate now. Like I’m losing a resource. That means my toy’s been taken away. That’s triggering that same trauma, that survivalist trauma. And you’re still operating at that instinctive, I need to stay alive. I need to keep this thing because otherwise I might die. But you can go and then talk to that partner and go, hey.

I’m in my 40s now. I’ve got this. Like, there are more toys. I can get more toys. It’ll be fine. What do you actually want?

Speaker 2 (22:00)
Exactly.

What do you actually want and what do you actually need?

Speaker 1 (22:03)
And

it takes a while to build up the trust but you can tell it you can ask them to step back and say like I know you I recognize that you’re feeling this like I absolutely understand where you’re coming from like that’s perfect makes perfect sense and you’re an amazing being for having done that like you kept us alive you helped us to survive that trauma but now do you want to just step back for a bit and see what it feels like

Speaker 2 (22:22)
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (22:28)
If you just let me have a go at handling it, is there something else that you want to have a go at? Like, is there something you’d rather do? Do you want to play with the toy? Do you want to go and have a nap? ⁓ You can do that now rather than being so controlled and so afraid ⁓ and so intent on controlling everything so that that trauma doesn’t happen again. And then that gives you the mental space to go, okay, what are my real options in this point?

Do I need to keep that thing? it life-threatening that I hold onto it? Or can I just go, this was useful at the time, now it’s time to let it go?

Speaker 2 (23:04)
Yeah, yeah. So that plays out into the next heading, which would be the scarcity spell, trauma, capitalism and the warping of desire. Yeah, we’re trying to equate safety with money, but this is an illusion that often diverts us from recognizing and honoring our true desires. We sort of like went over that then, really. ⁓

Speaker 1 (23:25)
You’re baked into

society though. The capitalist marketing thing is you need money. All the time. Everything is money.

Speaker 2 (23:32)
Everything you

turn on any social media and you give it a flick and there’s Pricks saying you can make this much money on the next 20 seconds as long as you buy

Speaker 1 (23:42)
Yeah

and it’s always buy this thing that you need money for but it’s not I want to go and sit in the park and watch the birds because that’s free like it might be the thing that you really really want to do.

Speaker 2 (23:53)
of the thing that you actually really really need to do.

Speaker 1 (23:56)
But we’re

trained from like our earliest point in childhood to go, I don’t have enough money. I need to take money off other people because it’s the scarcity thing. it will, products will run out if I don’t buy them immediately. There’s not enough for everyone. ⁓ so I have to do the best I can. I have to get the most that I can. And that feeds into this scarcity mindset of there’s not enough for everyone when I mean, the world is designed to support.

life. That’s what it’s all about. But you need to reevaluate what your desires are, what your needs actually are and like see if it is actually money. Like money is not bad. We love money. Money is useful. It’s necessary and really useful energy to get what you want. And so you shouldn’t be like just abandoning it unless that’s your desire, but you need to recognize it for what it is. A useful tool, not a goal. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:51)
we’ve been tricked.

Speaker 1 (24:54)
I mean, that’s money is ruled by the trickster spirits. Like this baked into the design. Like it’s a test to see if you can do it. And if you win, you get more money. ⁓ Mercury retrograde again. Like this is Mercury’s domain Gemini as well. Like where Uranus is shaking things up. This is why Uranus going to Gemini is going to signal changes with Bitcoin and stable coin and CBDCs and stuff. It’s about the new way of measuring wealth and manifesting wealth.

and shaking it up and doing it in a strange new way. That might also be really scary because Uranus, chaos, humans are designed to avoid chaos because chaos is dangerous.

Speaker 2 (25:27)
Yeah.

thing about selling things. ⁓

Speaker 1 (25:38)
Do you want to that’s the thing?

You have to like you have to recognize that these things are happening They’re operating in in you and like part of the desire of unit Uranus is to shake things up and make people scared and force them out of their comfort zones ⁓ That’s that’s its literal job in the universe is to force people out of the stable secure thing because something might be better Because that’s if you stagnate it’s that’s the end you die stagnation is death

And yours is job is to come around and check that up with lightning strikes and chaos. ⁓ I forgot where I was going with this.

But you have to lean into that. You have to find a way to connect what you want with that planet’s desire.

And it happens with any sort of transit at all. ⁓ you need to find that point where the connection is where you can channel that energy from Uranus that wants to shake things up and change things, ⁓ into a way that you also desire it. So for me, it’s moving house rather than waiting for, ⁓ the roof to fall in on me, which could be a literal manifestation of the Uranian energy. It’s like, I’m completely up, upending my entire living situation, my entire four

throwing it up in the air and doing something crazy that I’ve never done before and that’s my channeling of the Uranus transit through Gemini especially when it crosses my IC which is right at the start of the design ⁓ but I could have just sat there and waited and then let Uranus manifest something that it wants that doesn’t work for me

And that would probably be even lower. Definitely be worse. think it could be better. It’s Uranus, who knows? Yeah. But this way, like the move so far has gone incredibly smoothly, like bizarrely smoothly and easily. Yeah. It’s been excellent. Despite a lot of other bad astrowether, depending on how you view astrowether. ⁓

Speaker 2 (27:25)
device.

Speaker 1 (27:42)
So you can also find that in ⁓ your second house transit is like find the way of thinking about resources that works with the shakeup that Uranus is bringing to that area. So it might be sell everything and live like a bird.

Speaker 2 (28:00)
Yeah. I lived that before. used live out just out of a case, just one case.

Speaker 1 (28:05)
maybe that’s something you can do again, or maybe it’s invest in something really strange, ⁓ like moving to another country and buying property there.

Speaker 2 (28:13)
Seems like it’s on the cards. Can you dream too big?

Speaker 1 (28:19)
I… part of me always says yes. But I’m sure that’s a part.

Speaker 2 (28:23)
actually don’t think

there’s any harm in dreaming too big. No. I think it’s necessary otherwise you limit yourself. That’s exactly right. potential that the magic that you’re going to bring into your own life can do.

Speaker 1 (28:33)
I think that the idea of dreaming too big is part of the scarcity mindset thing. Like there’s not enough for everyone. You don’t get to have all the things that you want. That’s not allowed. And I don’t think that’s real, but so it limits, like as you said, it limits you, but I also, there’s a, there’s a different part of me that is going, well, you have to be realistic.

Speaker 2 (28:56)
Within that, yeah, I totally agree. I get that as well.

Speaker 1 (28:59)
But then where do you draw the line? Yeah. Because we’re in this world, this moment of wild uncertainty globally. But it’s like, and you know, I could be like, I want my own private island and a super yacht. Is that too big? If the economy collapses and whatnot, is that going to be possible? Is it going to be desirable? But does that mean I shouldn’t go for it? If it’s what I really want, like if it’s what I’m put on this earth to desire.

and manifest then why not go for it? But also there’s a limited number of violins out there and they’re very expensive. So, but yeah, it’s that tension between operating in the context that you’re in right now, but also letting magic do its thing. Like because magic, ⁓ the universe, manifestation, energy, however you want to think about it.

is not limited by the constraints of our society. Like it doesn’t have the rules and regulations that we have that we have to operate in most of the time. ⁓ And then we’re also trained to think in specific ways and be controlled. ⁓ Sometimes they serve us like it serves us to fit in with society because humans are collective beings that need other humans around in order to survive.

And to do that we have to operate in a cooperative society sort of context. ⁓

Is that a limit that’s real?

Speaker 2 (30:36)
Yeah, and then also circles back to that idea of your desires just extensions of the capitalism octopus that’s been plugged into our heads. Yeah. So maybe that private island is just them making you run on the treadmill continuously.

Speaker 1 (30:53)
But then also, if I do some magic to manifest that and I save a billionaire’s cat from getting run over by a car tomorrow and then they gift me with an island, that’s not a capitalist thing, but I got what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (31:10)
Yeah, that’s true, that’s true. Okay, there’s no harm in dreaming big then.

Speaker 1 (31:13)
Yeah, I think it’s a really difficult thing, especially now where things are so uncertain. Like the uncertainty opens out so many more possibilities. Like it blows things wide open. If things were really stable and set, you would have much more limited scope for ⁓ changing your situation. But because society is sort of exploding apart and going in really mad directions right now, there’s potential for people to just go wild and go.

I’m going to go for this amazing, ridiculous, big dream that I’ve had and maybe it will happen because there’s so many more possibilities right now.

But then also you’re operating in this place of scarcity and craziness where the societal ⁓ controls are breaking down and clamping down and creating scarcity. So you have to be prepared to operate within that manufactured scarcity because it is something, a real thing you’re going to have to deal with. Yes. So there’s this crazy tension there that you have to…

It’s very twins in Gemini thing. It’s like you’ve got both of them there. It’s a dual sign. Both of them can operate. We need to work out how to operate in both sides at the same time in order to A, survive and B, manifest all the beautiful world that we want.

Speaker 2 (32:33)
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Shadow healing in the Clear Channel. Part of your work that you’re doing with yourself right now is ⁓ shadow healing and you’re also looking at, you’ve signed up to a course with Gordon White from Rune Soup to work on your shadow there. What’s the name of that course? Shaman’s Devil, okay.

Speaker 1 (32:55)
the shaman’s devil.

Speaker 2 (32:58)
So as a part of the recording of this too, I thought we’d have this discussion because a lot of this all touches on that and then we may revisit after Nathan has done the work to have his experience. Be sure it will be. know, Gordon is the super therapist, so I’m sure things will come out the other side.

Speaker 1 (33:10)
Hopefully it’s good.

I mean if anyone can make diving into your traumas enjoyable it’s probably him.

Speaker 2 (33:23)
He’s

already doing it on YouTube. mean, my God. Seriously. Yeah. So you have committed to shadow integration and you’ve noticed that magic is becoming more precise and powerful. Why do you think that is?

Speaker 1 (33:26)
⁓ that series of videos. ⁓

I think it’s because you’re operating from your true self. Like you don’t have all the random parts that are operating in a fear sort of space clamoring for attention. So when you say to the universe, I want this thing, it’s a truth. All of you saying that it’s not truth. Yeah. It’s an, it’s a very literal truth that you’re speaking out there. It’s not, and it’s coming from the core of who you are, not the part of you. That’s, that’s, ⁓ operating everything like that stepped in to go, I’m panicking. need to do this thing. ⁓ and because you’re sort of.

you’re integrating all those parts, they’re not conflicting against each other because they can fight. That’s the thing. Like they all want different things because they’ve all, they’re all trying to control you, control the world because that’s the way they feel safest. And one of them being in control means that the others are not.

So these different parts of your psyche are working against each other and against you. And as you start to integrate them and get them to relax and step back and, you know, perform their role as advisors rather than the dominating force, ⁓ they start, everything starts to align and you sort of clear out that channel ⁓ to divinity, the spirit world, the universe, and it becomes a lot clearer.

And I mean, part of that was an instruction for me to tell no more lies, like even the white lies or the slight exaggerations to make people feel better. It’s, I need to be fully trustworthy in order to be worthy of my parts trusting me to do what I say I will to them. ⁓

So essentially, with this shadow integration method, you’re going back to parts of your psyche that are children and you’re saying to them, hi, I’m an adult, you can trust me now. And they’re like, up till now, you’ve completely ignored me and you haven’t done anything to help me. Why should I trust you? And it takes time to build up that trust. And part of that for me was like one of my ⁓ key

Speaker 2 (35:32)
Yeah, more now.

Speaker 1 (35:42)
part traumas, guess, is making sure everyone around me is safe and comfortable. So you can’t piss anyone off. You can’t make people feel uncomfortable. And so part of that is like, I’ll tell people what they want to hear, but that’s not always true. And so if I’m not telling the truth to people in the physical world, how do my parts know that I’m telling the truth to them? So yeah, it’s going to be very interesting process for me.

Speaker 2 (36:06)
Because

it’s…

Speaker 1 (36:07)
I mean, because in doing that, I’m dealing with multiple traumas at once. ⁓ It’s like they’re all interrelated. It’s this amazing connected web of things. it’s you approach them as if they’re separate, but they’re also all you and you’re all of them. And

you’re also operating in a spiritual magical world where, you know, the planets and the stars are also affecting these things and feeding into them. Yeah. And it’s all separate and all connected. And if you start changing one part, all the others start to change as well. It’s operating in the field, the level of the field. So small changes can have huge impacts. ⁓ And this idea for me is like not telling lies, like only truth, 100 % truth from now, something I’m working on.

Speaker 2 (36:53)
You

Speaker 1 (36:54)
perfect

but having done that like I can already see amazing results. Like I’m calmer already about everything.

⁓ I’m moving house. I’m working a full-time job. had to go interstate and overseas for various things recently at the same time as all this stuff is happening and I’m managing it and it’s relatively enjoyable as much as this can be. Like, I know when I’m being triggered by, ⁓ specific parts, specific traumas that I’ve, that would have just taken over me in the past and I would have lost my cool or flipped out or had a panic attack. Now I can, I still feel that like it’s still there, but I can go, ha, I know what’s happening.

now. I might not be able to deal with it in that moment but I can feel it and sort it out much quicker later. And then when I start I noticed it immediately was one of the things is when I started I do daily prayers to various lots of different people especially planets and whatnot but I noticed that they felt different they felt like stronger and true.

Speaker 2 (37:55)
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:57)
And it’s that

clear sort of centered self that is speaking truth to the universe through prayer, through conversation. And it responds in its true self as well. And so as you start to heal yourself, you’re also healing the universe because it’s all connected.

And so they respond in a better way. then, I mean, even when you’re talking with like normal, real people and you started to heal these parts of yourself, if you’re speaking authentically to them, their authentic person starts to come forward as well because you’ve made a safe space for that. they don’t even realize it. It may only be. Exactly. Yeah. And they might not realize it ever. ⁓ it might just be for that 32nd conversation that you had, you know, in the lift or something, but it worked.

Speaker 2 (38:31)
They fall into resonance. They can’t help it.

Speaker 1 (38:43)
And it’s, it’s amazing sort of beautiful thing, even though it’s a small, small change for you. Like literally my change was, ⁓ I realized that I’ve got a part that does this. It responds. It’s a, it’s a scarcity thing that all my stuff’s going to be taken away. As soon as I stop worrying about that, I don’t have to please everyone. Like I’m safe with them. They feel safe with me because I’m trusting them. And yeah, it’s wild.

Speaker 2 (39:11)
Yeah, I know I get it because I’m starting to notice some of that happen to me too, just from reading that book and doing some of the processes. was like, oh my god, I can’t believe it. It’s like it’s literally being more in accord with truth. And I think anyone could benefit from that. Everyone. Everyone should do it.

Speaker 1 (39:20)
Integrating your shadow.

Yeah.

⁓ everyone.

And like I know it feels separate but I’m sure it’s connected but part of what I’ve been doing with my daily ⁓ astrological practice is ⁓ I found ways to

petition the planets very specifically to me. So as the planet transits a house, I will change the prayer ⁓ that I speak to them and say, bless me with this and that specific to that house. So I’m tracking through the areas of my life with the different planets and getting into resonance with them and showing them my desires and how they align with theirs, like the way they operate. So because I’ve coming and I’m playing with the idea that the planets are

can be like they’re obviously their own beings and there’s lots of different ways to look at them. But one way of looking at them is that they are ⁓ instances of divine attention that are brought into a specific part of your life. ⁓ as Jupiter transits part of like one of your houses, it’s going through my fifth house at the moment and it’s a big yes. So everything fifth house is a big yes for me. So all the creativity, all the pleasure, joy, fun, that is all.

big yes at the moment. Saturn’s going through Aries in my second house and that’s a big no. So finances and stuff I have to be super careful. There’s no overspending, there’s no being extravagant, it’s work ahead of safe stuff, work ahead of put restrictions on what you do and that’s the way I’m playing with it. It’s like Venus binds things together, it creates love and Mars cuts things apart. So as they go through the different parts of your life, the different parts of your existence.

you find residences with them and then that opens up so much more of a connection like a very intimate and direct connection between you and that specific entity and it’s channeled through your desires and I had to like there’s a caveat with this one because I screwed it up at the start with all my 8th house planets I was like okay ⁓ planets transiting through those houses that house I need to they’ll help me be good at ⁓

Helping people through transformations and grief and loss and like dealing with those those sorts of things and death and stuff. Yeah, that’s a really good one. Like that’s really positive. I’m helping people do these things like deal with these things. ⁓ And then I got flooded with all these people who going through crises and I was like, shit, I’ve done this. mean, it wasn’t wasn’t my fault. wasn’t something that I manifested, but it all happened at once. And I was like, actually, this is not what I want. I don’t want to be constantly bombarded with people going through traumatic events. I need space. Like I can’t.

I don’t have the capacity to deal with that. I don’t want that to be my entire life because I have those significant placements in my chart. So I had to change those prayers and I had to align my truer desire with the operation of those planets, the desire of those planets in those areas of my chart and find a better way that is more resonant for me as well as them.

without upsetting anyone.

Speaker 2 (42:44)
That’s best. The next heading we’ve got here which is embodiment of the Cosmos, fractal, magic and planetary prayer. I think we’ve pretty much covered a lot of that in that response there.

Speaker 1 (42:55)
Well, I the next thing there is that… ⁓

Speaker 2 (42:58)
going into how the body is reflected in the astrology.

Speaker 1 (43:00)
Yeah,

because once I started with the houses and like this is my life, this is the context and environment that I operate in that’s specific to me, I was then looking at the… ⁓

the way that the human body is a microcosm of the macrocosm of the zodiac. Like ⁓ one of the traditional ⁓ rulership divisions, I guess, of the zodiac is like Aries is the head and Taurus is the neck and moving down through the body to Pisces at the feet. so there’s this human body depicted in the world created in the stars and ⁓

That’s another even more intimate connection that you can forge with these greater intelligences, with these things that create the structures of life in the universe. They literally are the boundaries of our existence here. You can’t see further than them.

⁓ And I’m pretty sure ancient civilizations had put primacy of the stars, like fixed stars and constellations over the planets. Whereas modern Western astrology tends to put the planets as the primary thing, which I mean is fair. They’re the most dramatic and interesting things that are constantly changing. But now I’m wondering if, what happens if you go back? What happens if you start treating the fixed stars, the constellations, as they interact with your body? And…

create those energetic loops with your body and the cosmos, like the boundaries of the cosmos and what happens then. ⁓ Because from a human perspective, the outside of your skin is technically the limit of your physical body. ⁓ Like you have an energetic body that extends further out. But from our senses, we’re inside this thing. And if you look out with your senses, we’re inside this globe of stars and you can’t see outside of them. So

It’s the fractal experience of inner and outer and outer and inner and like what happens if you get into that resonance and you align your desires with the desires, the energies of those beings, those constellations, those entities that are out there that are forming the structure of the universe, the structure of your experience. Yeah. I mean, there’s all sorts of really exciting stuff with like medical astrology and

Speaker 2 (45:12)
what could happen.

Speaker 1 (45:18)
like if you resonate your body parts with those ⁓ primal, I’m trying to think of the word.

Speaker 2 (45:25)
of the geotones.

Speaker 1 (45:28)
yeah, I want to get into that. All that sort of resonance and stuff at some point, but haven’t thought about that yet. The archetypal forces of the universe that construct your body, like you’re tapping into the primal, untainted sort of version of that. And that’s got to have positive effects on your body.

Speaker 2 (45:47)
it makes you come into resonance, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then if it’s for healing, then obviously it’s going to heal it.

Speaker 1 (45:53)
And then like if your body is healed, then your shadow is healing as well because there’s no real difference between them because the shadow manifests in the body. Like the traumas you possess manifest in your physical body. And if you start healing one, you’re healing the other, which is why I think I’ve gotten to this point so quickly. It’s just all sort of falling into place as one of the, as each thing starts. ⁓ and then what happens then after you have that resonance built up.

And like this is so amazing. I’m probably going to go into the next one with the gratitude.

Speaker 2 (46:26)
Yeah, I think you should. That makes sense, ⁓

Speaker 1 (46:28)
Because like

one of the things is just this, like when you start healing these things and realizing that actually I don’t have to operate from this place of pain and trauma and scary scariness all the time. The world is actually kind of nice. Like it’s really enjoyable to be alive. Even like bad things are happening. I’m dealing with terrible things all the time. I’ve been sick for a while, but I’m still like, this is kind of awesome. And then because it’s coming from outside, because it’s coming from a resonance with those beings, because it’s coming from the way that I’m

sort of trying to integrate all of these different things. It’s like you’re offering gratitude back to them. ⁓ so for my daily prayers, part of that is I’ve integrated this sort of gratitude practice of just saying things like you have praise and gratitude from me for just being because you do this thing, because you embody this, this, ⁓ desire, this energy that I really love. And that means you’re giving back to that, that realm, that sort of.

spiritual side of the universe rather than just going, I need, need, I need, I need, praying for this, I’m manifesting that, give it to me, give it to me. You’re also sending the energy back and going, this is my gratitude for everything that I’ve already got, everything that you’ve already given me. ⁓ Everything that’s beautiful in the world goes back to you as well. And so you’re creating this energetic loop because everything is in everything’s loops. It’s all cycles and spirals. And I feel like if you’re just doing

want if you’re ignoring it or if you’re just going, I need, I need, I need, you’re slowing down that energy flow. ⁓ Whereas if you start pushing gratitude backwards, back to it, you’re turning into a force multiplier and you’re increasing the flow and allowing it to become smoother and easier and widening the channel. And so there’s that’s it’s sort of, it’s bringing their attention to you as well. And I think because I’ve been doing this daily sort of this daily

Speaker 2 (48:01)
Yes.

you

Speaker 1 (48:24)
planetary prayer practice for so long, they’ve started to recognize that I’m consistent, that I’m doing this. And then because I’ve added this gratitude in there, like they’re getting more out of it. And it’s not a case of, ⁓ it’s not a transaction, it’s just a function. It’s it’s something that I’m supposed to do, that humans are supposed to do. Exactly. That’s the perfect description of it. And it’s…

Speaker 2 (48:44)
right relation.

Speaker 1 (48:50)
And once you do that, you get into that flow state where you can find ways of manifesting the planetary energies in ways that work with your desires much more easily. And it just flows beautifully.

Speaker 2 (49:02)
look, I know that connection that you’re feeling because I started doing that only yesterday with Saturn and because we’re recording this on a Sunday so on Saturn’s day I would normally do my usually devotional prayers but I did it differently this time and instead of just doing my prayers, lighting my candle, putting my incense on, this time I knelt down with Saturn and just

Instead of just doing that, I just connected and gave gratitude. It’s actually bringing me emotions because I started crying when I was feeling it. Everything was so powerful.

Speaker 1 (49:39)
I mean you started with the hardest one out of the lot. Props to you for doing that. ⁓ my god. ⁓

Speaker 2 (49:44)
But

I think for me the point is with Saturn though, Saturn’s one I often overlook because I just don’t want to wake him up too much. ⁓

Speaker 1 (49:54)
That’s the

thing. And that’s one of the difficult things to get your head around at the start is you have to be grateful for the limits that puts on you. the hard day, like you’re getting lessons from them and they’re not pleasant, but you’re a better person at the end of them. And that’s something to be grateful for is you’re grateful for the scarcity that Satan brings. Like I’m trying.

Speaker 2 (50:01)
Well that’s I talking about.

graceful for the

innings that you bring.

Speaker 1 (50:16)
Yeah, I’m trying to be grateful for the fact that yeah, my income is going to change. Like I’m losing resources because Saturn is restricting my second house. But I’m also using that to build the structures that I actually want, which is something Saturn’s also good at kind of. ⁓ But yeah, it’s a strange sort of feeling to be grateful for things that you’re told you’re not supposed to be grateful for. But it works and it’s a really beautiful.

Speaker 2 (50:39)
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:44)
beautiful thing to do that. And then you can build in the sort of beauty to it as well. It’s like human beings, I feel like human beings are here to rearrange the physical world. Like everything’s already here. Like we can’t really create anything new. That’s not our job. We are here to rearrange things, to make things more beautiful and to increase that flow between our…

our physical world and the spiritual world and the archetypal realm and all that sort of thing. And I feel like in doing these practices, using the incense and ⁓ moving your body in certain ways, kneeling down or dancing or singing, it creates something that resonates with the planets, with the other spiritual entities in a really beautiful way that humans are supposed to do. Like that’s our job as incarnated beings on this plane.

Speaker 2 (51:36)
give them a voice. ⁓

Speaker 1 (51:38)
Yeah. I mean, it’s kind of the

opposite of what we’re doing with magic when we’re trying to manifest things. We’re like, give me this, give me this, give me this. And the plants are going back going, I want incense. I want, you know, a beautiful dance. I want a song. Give me some food because food is cool. Like you’re moving all these weird physical things around that I can’t do, but you do so easily. And we’re like, yeah, but you’re giving us money like out of nowhere. And that’s how it works.

Speaker 2 (52:01)
you

Speaker 1 (52:02)
Like we each have something to bring like it’s not humans are powerless things It’s not that we’re all powerful wizards who can shape reality at the whim at our you know, the whim of our consciousness It’s that we’re in a relationship where this is what we do. This is what they do and It works together. Yes

Speaker 2 (52:20)
Absolutely. Well that circles into the next question which is devotional magic finding a truth method.

Speaker 1 (52:26)
This one is interesting because I think it’s gradually developed for me over many years. Like I started out with the, want to be the powerful wizard. I want to do these sigils and cast these spells and ⁓ yeah, I want to summon things and have crazy physical effects happening. more listeners! That’s valid. ⁓

Speaker 2 (52:37)
I want to make those people like me.

⁓ Don’t you worry.

Speaker 1 (52:50)
Yeah, so

that’s what I wanted to do and I was like, it’s not really working, I’m not getting it, like it doesn’t feel like how I wanted it to and so I just started this like, I don’t even know how, I just very gradually started this daily thing and it started small and I’ve gradually built it up and it’s become this daily sort of devotional practice and it’s very sort of prayer focused and very sort of all my 12 hour stuff, it’s very inward meditative solo sort of things.

But it works incredibly well for me. And I think it’s part of the embodiment of your natal chart, the promise of your natal chart, your specific circumstances. That’s not gonna work for everyone. Some people are out there who are supposed to be the fireball wizard, wielding wizards, who ride around the landscape and warp reality to their whims.

Speaker 2 (53:39)
I mean politicians.

Speaker 1 (53:42)
⁓ Anyway. you know Gordon, mean he’s another option. It’s going to be different for everyone but because…

Speaker 2 (53:48)
You

Speaker 1 (53:54)
this, found the way that works for me and I’m pushing that and trying to push that to the ultimate limit and see how far I can go with it and see what happens. And that’s that alignment of the astrological sort of elements of my being with what they can embody that works for me. like Pisces rising, there’s a lot of the solo mystic sort of thing there in who I am.

it’s taken me a really long time to realize this but I think other people there’s some there’s some things for people to explore there it’s like what does my chart say that would help me to become better at manifesting or magic or increasing the beauty or ease of my life getting the things that I want ⁓ with a daily devotional practice or with a random quest or something that you have to go on or

you know, practicing summoning demons or like whatever works. Like the thing will be different for everyone. But if you find out what it is, if you find what resonates for you, what you find beautiful, enjoyable, desirable, go hard with it and see what happens. Because you’re probably manifesting the thing that you were meant to. You’re probably embodying the thing that you are meant to. And once you get into that resonant flow, you can build on it and just expand it out into all areas of your life.

Speaker 2 (55:04)
Mm.

Well

that speaks to that idea that you’ve got here for ⁓ becoming the bridge.

Speaker 1 (55:24)
That’s yeah, I mean, that’s essentially what we’re trying to do is like Western society, we’ve sort of we’ve definitely been forced to ignore all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (55:33)
Yeah, well, pretty much everything in the media and still to this day, people call it woo. Yeah. That’s derision, which is ridiculous. And before the last, what, 200 years or so, it was sort of normal.

Speaker 1 (55:45)
Exactly.

Yeah. For everyone.

And it’s like, it’s a scene, like I talk about it like this and I feel kind of like part of me feels a bit stupid. Like I’m saying crazy things because that’s the part of me that’s trained. Yeah. It’s the part of me that is going, if you step out of these lines, people will hate you and you are in danger of being outcast physical danger. But I can talk to that part and go, Hey, maybe not. ⁓ let’s see what happens if it doesn’t. ⁓ and that sort of works, but.

Speaker 2 (56:06)
Thank

Speaker 1 (56:24)
We’ve got this opportunity now because we don’t have part of it. Part of me is sad that we’re missing the lineages and traditions from like intact societies that have kept these sort of magical traditions going for much longer periods than we have because there’s a definite sort of power and resonance and beauty in those. ⁓ But we’ve also got the other side now where we can just make our own. That’s right. Like, yeah, this is our opportunity in all this chaos.

Let’s find out what happens if we try out things and really stick to them.

Speaker 2 (56:56)
going into apocalypse for everyone, we all be pushed to our limits in certain different ways and as a part of that, if a magical current that aligns us with and puts us in accord with the universe so that things flowed, so we can bring more beauty to the world and each other, why wouldn’t you do it?

Speaker 1 (57:19)
And might not last like this thing that I’m doing might actually only work for the next few months because of whatever circumstances. it doesn’t matter if it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t because at this moment right now I’ve made the world, the universe more beautiful. I’ve increased the flow. I’ve increased the amount of magic and ⁓

Speaker 2 (57:27)
What’s your history with this?

Speaker 1 (57:43)
Resonance and connection with the universe for this moment with a few beings and that you can’t take that away like that That now always exists in history I mean likely that’s what I’m aiming for but even if it doesn’t even if you try something and it doesn’t work or it only works for a little while you’ve You’ve done something like you’ve increased something you’ve made something more beautiful even for only a moment and the universe holds that forever and That’s amazing

Speaker 2 (57:52)
I’m going to say that you’re always going to build on it.

That’s a good point to end on I think. Thank you very much Nathan for coming on to Super Normalized and discussing your understanding of shadow work and astrology and sharing that with all of our listeners and watchers and viewers. And ⁓ yeah, I look forward to our next discussion when we get to it in the future after you’ve done Gordon’s new Shaman’s Devil course.

Speaker 1 (58:16)
to me.

Everything I

just said and replaced it with something completely new.

Speaker 2 (58:44)
Well, when we come in that time it should be just this glowing being in alignment with everything. We can hope. Thank you very much. Cool, cool. Alright.

Speaker 1 (58:52)
That’s the goal. you.

CeeJay Barnaby (58:58)
Well, I hope you enjoyed that conversation despite my first time having a sit down sort of studio situation. I don’t think camp chairs work that well. They’re not very flattering to say the least. ⁓ But if you enjoyed today’s show, please like and subscribe. And if you’ve enjoyed listening to this show and you’re on a pod catcher, please give me five stars, send it to a friend.

Thank you so much for listening. Until next episode, it’s bye for now.

Speaker 2 (1:00:15)
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Rocio Aquino, Angel Arengo, spiritual psychology, feminine empowerment, healing, self-discovery, emotional refuge, storytelling, community support, radical self-love, forgiveness, conscious leadership, personal growth, transformation, modern goddesses, emotional healing, trauma recovery, intentional living

How Can Spiritual Psychology Transform Lives? Discover Rocio & Angel’s Journey!

In this enlightening episode of Supernormalized, host CeeJay Barnaby engages in a heartfelt conversation with Rocio Aquino and Angel Arengo, a couple dedicated to transforming lives through the power of storytelling. Their bestselling novel, The Orchid: The Secret Code of Modern Goddesses, serves as a guide for those seeking healing and empowerment.

Rocio and Angel share their personal journeys, revealing how they navigated trauma and embraced spiritual psychology to foster radical self-love and forgiveness. They discuss the importance of community support in the healing process and how the divine feminine is being reintroduced into our culture. This episode is packed with practical tools and insights that listeners can apply to their own lives, making it a must-listen for anyone on a path of self-discovery.

Join us as we explore the intersection of spirituality and real-world resilience, and learn how to reclaim your inner strength. For more information and resources, visit https://TheOrchidBook.com – https://supernormalized.com/181yt/

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Embracing Your Weirdness: Unlock Your Superpowers with Alicia Sweezer Interview

Are you tired of feeling like a misfit? Discover how Alicia Sweezer, a certified life coach, unlocked her superpowers by embracing her “weirdness” on the Supernormalized podcast. Prepare to be inspired as Alicia shares her extraordinary journey from wildlife biologist to intuitive empath. Click the link to listen now and unlock your own path to authentic self-expression: https://supernormalized.com/180/

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