In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asani Brogan shares her journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. She discusses her spiritual awakening, the importance of connecting with one's ancestors, and the role of Ifa divination in personal growth. Dr. Brogan emphasizes the need for education in understanding African spiritual practices and addresses common misconceptions surrounding them. Through her work, she aims to empower individuals to reclaim their heritage and forge meaningful connections with their spiritual roots.
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asani Brogan shares her journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. She discusses her spiritual awakening, the importance of connecting with one’s ancestors, and the role of Ifa divination in personal growth. Dr. Brogan emphasizes the need for education in understanding African spiritual practices and addresses common misconceptions surrounding them. Through her work, she aims to empower individuals to reclaim their heritage and forge meaningful connections with their spiritual roots.
February 12, 2025

Reclaim Your Heritage: Dr. Brogan on African Spirituality

In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asani Brogan shares her journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. She discusses her spiritual awakening, the importance of connecting with one’s ancestors, and the role of Ifa divination in personal growth. Dr. Brogan emphasizes the need for education in understanding African spiritual practices and addresses common misconceptions surrounding them. Through her work, she aims to empower individuals to reclaim their heritage and forge meaningful connections with their spiritual roots.
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asani Brogan shares her journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. She discusses her spiritual awakening, the importance of connecting with one's ancestors, and the role of Ifa divination in personal growth. Dr. Brogan emphasizes the need for education in understanding African spiritual practices and addresses common misconceptions surrounding them. Through her work, she aims to empower individuals to reclaim their heritage and forge meaningful connections with their spiritual roots.
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In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asani Brogan shares her journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. She discusses her spiritual awakening, the importance of connecting with one's ancestors, and the role of Ifa divination in personal growth. Dr. Brogan emphasizes the need for education in understanding African spiritual practices and addresses common misconceptions surrounding them. Through her work, she aims to empower individuals to reclaim their heritage and forge meaningful connections with their spiritual roots.
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In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Asanee Brogan shares her remarkable journey from a traditional Christian upbringing to becoming a passionate spiritual coach and educator focused on African spirituality. Through her work, she emphasizes the importance of reconnecting with one’s ancestral roots and the transformative power of practices like Ifa divination and Haitian Vodou.

Dr. Brogan’s spiritual awakening began with a deep dive into the Bible, which led her to discover the Hebrew Israelite movement and the realization that Christianity may not be the true path for people of African descent. This revelation sparked her exploration of ancient African traditions and wisdom, which she now dedicates herself to sharing and preserving.

One of the key themes that emerges from the interview is the significance of ancestral connection. Dr. Brogan stresses that by understanding and honoring one’s heritage, individuals can unlock profound personal growth and empowerment. Through her books, such as “Connecting with Your Ancestors,” and her podcast “African Spirit Reintegrated + Reimagined,” she provides invaluable resources and guidance for those seeking to forge meaningful connections with their spiritual legacy.

Dr. Brogan also addresses common misconceptions surrounding African spirituality, particularly the notion that it is evil or demonic. She emphasizes the need for education and caution when exploring these traditions, as they require a deep understanding of the protocols and energetic dynamics involved.

Throughout the conversation, Dr. Brogan shares inspiring success stories from her coaching practice, illustrating the transformative impact of reclaiming one’s spiritual heritage. Her dedication to bridging the gap between ancient wisdom and modern spiritual paths is truly admirable, as she empowers individuals to embark on their unique journeys toward enlightenment.

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Transcript

CeeJay Barnaby (00:01)
Today on Super Normalized, I feature Dr. Asanee Brogan, a passionate spiritual coach, author and guide dedicated to educating others about traditional African religions. Dr. Asanee’s incredible journey blends her experience in the Ifa tradition and Haitian voodoo with transformative mentorship practices aimed at helping seekers reclaim their heritage while forging meaningful connections with their ancestors. Join us as we explore her inspiring path filled with rich insights from her books like Connecting with Your Ancestors as well as

her innovative divination tools designed specifically for the African diaspora. Tune in for an engaging conversation where Dr. Asanee shares her knowledge on bridging ancient wisdom with modern spiritual paths, guiding listeners on how they can embark on their own unique journeys towards enlightenment. Prepare to be inspired and equipped as Dr. Asanee helps us all understand our true purpose against the backdrop of our ancestral traditions. On with the show.

Welcome to super normalized Dr. Asanee Brogan. Should I just call you doctor or Asanee?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (01:05)
Asanee is fine. He’s perfect.

CeeJay Barnaby (01:06)
Okay.

So can you tell me about your life growing up? mean, you’ve come into practicing and helping people with ifah and their understanding of Haitian religions and connection to spirit to actually help them on their way in life. Where did that start? I mean, you’ve got to have some sort of interest as a child somehow.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (01:31)
Honestly, didn’t I was always spiritual just naturally spiritual very intuitive, but I actually grew up in a Christian home with a you know, just very conservative normal Christian background, right? So there was nothing in Well, I can’t say yes. I did have family from my dad’s side that practiced hoodoo, but it still was kind of undercover It was an under wraps type of situation. It was not something that was mainstream and pushed to the forefront. Like Christian was the cover. That’s how it went.

CeeJay Barnaby (02:04)
Yeah.

Okay. And, did you, so you, you had mainly a Christian sort of belief when you were growing up, what does, is there anything that started triggering you in a certain direction? Did you have any connection with spirits or anything like that? I mean, how did you start to get an interest in, alternate religions?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (02:22)
wouldn’t say it was traditional religion, as I say anyway, because it’s definitely not an alternative. But I’m going to say…

It was a spiritual awakening process that I started to have. So it was just a natural phenomenon. I started to learn, really get deep actually into Christianity. So that was the spark to understanding because there’s so much confusion there and so many different interpretations of scriptures and so forth and so on. And I was just frustrated because I was like, this can’t be the right thing if there’s so much confusion there, right?

the god of the Bible or what have you, Jesus, whoever you want to call this particular forest.

It has to be something more concrete that I can lean on than what everybody is saying this and that and it’s like this and so forth and so on. And so I actually started my journey going deeper into the Bible. I discovered the Hebrew Israelite movement which basically says that the black people are the original people. They are the people of the Bible, the original Jews I should say.

And so that led me down a long rabbit hole of exploring the Bible and understanding it from a completely different perspective. And as I went down that path, I started to encounter more and more teachings on ancient African traditions and knowledge and wisdom and so forth and so on. And that really sparked off the idea that

Christianity can’t be of us or from us, not the way it’s presented. And when I say us, I’m referring to black people. And so was like, there has to be something else because there’s no way, especially learning about the journey of slavery in the Americas and then later on throughout the world, I’ve had an amazing opportunity. My ancestors literally took me on a journey around the world where I’ve traveled to different places.

lived

in different places. I actually lived in the Middle East for five years. That was, I would say, the major catalyst for me understanding that the Bible is definitely not what we’ve been taught it to be. And so it was just, you know, one thing after another, started experiencing synchronicities, long story short. I was finally awakened to the reality that my ancestors practiced Ifa, Haitian Voodoo, and of course some other things.

because I am what people would refer to as African American, which means that I have lineage from so many different areas, of course, Africa, indigenous American heritage, but herein, my emphasis is on the African traditions and the African ways of being.

CeeJay Barnaby (05:10)
Beautiful. Yeah, yeah. I wasn’t diminishing the religion when I said alternative before. was just saying that as an alternative to Christianity. I understand they’re and they have a lot more history.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (05:22)
100, a

lot more. Now I understand you. The reason I corrected it is because people do that. And even with health, right, they’ll say alternative health, but what they’re calling alternative health is actually indigenous or original healthcare treatments. And they’re calling allopathic medicine, you know, the conventional medicine. So it’s the same thing, you know, with coming from biblical record and all of these teachings, like everything has been turned upside

CeeJay Barnaby (05:39)
Exactly.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (05:51)
and we’ve been told things that just are not true. So I was more so emphasizing that for the audience’s sake. I didn’t take offense to it.

CeeJay Barnaby (06:00)
Okay, so can you share a pivotal moment in your life that led you to become a spiritual coach and educator?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (06:06)
So yeah, was like journeying down that path again to my spirituality. I was in a workforce when I transitioned into being a coach period, because I actually started off in career business, financial coaching, and then pivoted into spiritual coaching. So that all came about with me having a lack of desire for doing what I was doing at that time in the workforce that no longer interested me.

because I was like this isn’t even you know what it should be in even saying it like I did come from a healthcare background my doctorate is in public health and I at that time I was overseeing a healthcare administration program and I just lost so much interest in what I was doing because I knew like life had to have so much more meaning for humanity and for me personally and you know it’s just that stage

We all get to somewhere around midlife and we start to wake up and say I meant for more than this right for an occupation and so even going into what I went to initially as a coach to career business finances that was really comfortable for me because you know it’s coming out of the workforce or what have you but spirit was like no we want you to you know talk about the native traditions and you know get back to that and start to

people because I was meant to serve in that capacity. So that’s part of my destiny.

CeeJay Barnaby (07:37)
Yeah, so you were called definitely to take up the mantle and help people see the old ways again. Okay, and how did that play out? Did you have a moment where you went, okay, well, I’ve got to do this. Did you start studying? mean, did your ancestors come to you? How did that work for you?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (07:43)
Absolutely.

So I was already studying.

A lot of synchronicity. yes, to answer your question, did my ancestors come to me? Definitely. And for the most part, in the beginning, it was in the form of so many synchronicities. Numerology played a huge role in that. But you know, I was also seeing animals and so many different things. I’m like, this can’t be coincidental. That, you know, everything, matter of fact, 44, my business is titled Asanee 44. That number comes from that awakening period.

that is the number I saw everywhere until I finally just got it and I was like okay I understand now I get the message I understand the assignment let’s go and so yes that’s the way they came to me just intuitive insight and knowledge and things like that I’m not one to always see apparitions and to you know speak verbally or what

you are audibly hearing spirits and so forth and so on. It happens here and there. So I didn’t have this wildly sensational experience. My ancestors knew better than to come to me like that because I’m more of a logical person. So as I always tell everybody too, they’re going to approach you based on you know how you perceive and how you interact just as somebody would in the physical realm. So if you have like parents or family members or what have you, they know

how you’re going to interact based on how they come to you and communicate with you and so the ancestors likewise do the same. this is something that you know this is one way rather that they segue me into that by showing me the synchronicities by showing me so much information just like boldly in my face that I could not deny. This is something I need to pay attention to.

CeeJay Barnaby (09:48)
That’s cool. What is the meaning of the 44 to you after all that?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (09:53)
So 44 is a deeply spiritual number. A lot of people consider it to be a master number. Some people don’t. Either way, 44 is absolutely about balance, harmony, laying a solid foundation. Karma is incorporated into that as well because of the number eight. So what goes around comes around. Right now, as far as my business goes, it sits in that space.

of this is all about achieving balance because that’s what spirituality is for. That’s what everything that we’re meant to do, all of the ritual work, the prayers, incantations, whatever you do in spirituality, it is supposed to bring about balance and harmony. So I would say that’s foundational to the 44 for me right now.

CeeJay Barnaby (10:43)
Wow, cool. Okay. In what ways do you believe African spirituality can benefit those seeking personal growth and empowerment and is African spirituality for everyone?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (10:53)
the second question first and say no right and even when I say African spirituality not being for everyone that’s inclusive of people of African descent so it really depends on what you came into this life to achieve would it be helpful beneficial for everyone of African descent and even otherwise because it doesn’t have to be like you visibly having an African phenotype or genotype aware

CeeJay Barnaby (10:57)
Okay.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (11:22)
have you. However, you have to want it. It has to be something that you’re integrated into in a path that you’re ready and willing to take. What was the other part? I’m sorry, I forgot the first one. Empowerment. Okay, empowerment. Sorry. How does it empower one, especially somebody coming from the African diaspora? It teaches you about your heritage and your lineage because that’s deeply missing throughout the world.

CeeJay Barnaby (11:35)
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, you got it.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (11:49)
for people of African descent, even for people on the African continent. Because we’ve lost so much of our ancient wisdom and knowledge, getting back to African spirituality, we connect with our ancestral heritage and roots when we learn about the information that our ancestors already had. A lot of the things that we’re seeing today as part of, you know, what we call technology and evolution and so forth and so on, all of this knowledge our ancestors already

had they knew things they were intuitively in touch with things a lot of communication that we have verbally in today’s world wasn’t even spoken it didn’t have to be spoken because we just automatically knew a lot of it had to do with us living in clean environments and salient spaces again going back to that dynamic of harmony and balance which ultimately leads to abundance if we have those dynamics in place we can have abundance a

out of so many of the problems that African people face worldwide in today’s world would be overcome and finished, done with if they had knowledge of who they were from a spiritual perspective because that basically is going to tell you all about your heritage and your lineage and how your people operated.

CeeJay Barnaby (13:08)
It sounds like that the great disconnect in our society, which has been caused by basically industrialization and everything and all of the distracting technologies and everything, has pretty much caused that rift to make it so people can’t see their connection to their traditions.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (13:27)
Absolutely, sadly, yes.

CeeJay Barnaby (13:29)
Yeah, yeah. Now you’re also a writer and can you tell us about your book, Connecting with Your Ancestors? How is that an invaluable resource for people and what inspired you to write and what message do you hope to convey in your books?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (13:45)
So connecting with your ancestors is a resource guide primarily for those of us in the diaspora who don’t have those direct ancestral links. So setting up ancestor altars and connecting with ancestral forces through a familiarly based practice, there’s something that’s straightforward where you don’t have to deal with higher level deities in a very formalized spiritual way.

is helpful and is necessary. there was a lack, there still is a major lack in us understanding those dynamics. So I wanted to pin down, my ancestors wanted me I should say, to pin down a resource to help people who are trying to navigate that journey back into the tradition, to establish themselves with their ancestral roots. Something that people would have to help them to do it in a way that is

not dangerous, right? Not too heavily inundated with things that they don’t need to know, especially at a basic level when they’re first getting started. That was very important to me for people to operate from a space where they’re connecting with the right ancestral forces so that they can navigate their journey into the tradition in a way that is going to be beneficial for them.

CeeJay Barnaby (15:04)
Yeah. Yeah. And you also run a podcast, is, African spirit reintegrated and reimagined. and it serves as an education and community building platform around African spirituality. And, how long have you been running that podcast and, and what do you do with that with people?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (15:19)
Initially, it just started off with me sharing my journey, sharing additional information about the traditions and what I knew. At this stage, I’m starting to work with more more guests, which is such a beautiful experience because I get to bring in different perspectives other than mine because I think all of our knowledge and wisdom is so important in this. And so that’s what that podcast is ultimately about for people to get those different perspectives, especially for people who are trying to

figure out what direction to go in because that’s a major question I get all the time as a spiritual coach. What tradition should I go in? Right? And so having those different perspectives, different individuals come in and speak on their tradition and their journey into African spirituality or from the door, because some people were born into the tradition. they’re sharing their knowledge from a very authentic

authentic and deep level familiar space. Having that type of information available to people is just absolutely invaluable in today’s age.

CeeJay Barnaby (16:30)
Yeah, yeah, because there’s not many places people can go and if they don’t know, it’s hard to get the information. Now you offer a lot of other methods of finding your own way as well. And one of your services you offer is divination. Can you talk about your divination services and how they work?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (16:47)
So we offer a number of different divination services, but I’m going to focus here on Ifa Divination because that’s what we do the most. So Ifa Divination is a system that was defined by the European people in which they established this codified way of doing divination, spiritual readings, connecting with the spiritual realm whereby they’re using sacred tools to bring forth information from what we call

they’ll do which is a sacred verse and it will speak to what’s going on in a person’s life at that time what they need to do as far as giving sacrifices and offerings what taboos that they may have to follow any type of warnings spiritual connections with Deities or reaches or what have you whatever else they need to do prescriptions spiritual medicine etc right and so that’s what the premise or the

Basis of if a divination is about we provide that at a sunny 44. I do not do readings I am not in the NFL. Okay, because I get that quite often Instead I work with an owl out of Nigeria who does all the reading services However, he and I collaborative collaboratively work with individuals helping them to understand the reading process helping them to understand the ritual work and so many other aspects of the

issue.

CeeJay Barnaby (18:13)
Yeah, right, right. Can you explain the process of adivination and what sort of actually happens?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (18:17)
So in the EFA divination you mean? So you’re gonna, the reader, the pre-starter pre-start is gonna work with a board, a divination board, and they’re gonna work with other tools whereby they’re pulling out.

CeeJay Barnaby (18:20)
Yeah, yeah, have you, yeah, can you explain that?

Yes.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (18:34)
It’s a geomassive process so they are pulling out the Odoo, they’re generating the Odoo based on what numbers and so forth come out in the reading and then they’ll know which Odoo applies. They bring that information down from the Odoo as far as what’s going on in their person’s life at the time they may be experiencing sickness or disease, financial problems, so forth and so on. And then that same Odoo will speak to what Orishas are inherent in the

do so which ones need to be appeased and what they need because each orisha takes specific sacrifices and offerings however each of the

the sacrifices and the offerings are going to be different each time for each reading. So they’re not going to take everything that they’re going to take. It’s going to be based on a specific thing for that particular individual. it could be a chicken in one case, could be a goat in another case, and a snail in another case, et cetera.

CeeJay Barnaby (19:21)
Yeah.

Mm.

Yeah, right. Okay. So I had a question because this is an unusual sort of question. My friend is a guy that lives in San Francisco and he went to a local voodoo celebration where everyone was dancing and enjoying the music and…

ritualistic dancing and he joined in because it was just happening in an alleyway and he just joined in. thought that looks like a lot of fun. And he went in and he was accepted by everyone and he loved it completely. But then he got, he lost his mind. He went into a different sort of space, was taken over by a spirit and he danced for like 13 hours. And at the end of it, came out of it and everyone was looking at him and just like.

what? And they said, you became one of the Orishas and he said, what? And since then he’s had a lot of contact with that, that spirit. So, is that something that’s still on the like regular? Does that happen to some people? Yeah.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (20:26)
Thank

In Voodoo, so like

in Voodoo, yes. Is it regular that they would probably invite a stranger into that process?

Typically know if that person wasn’t part of it because it you can they can be taken over and it’s called like being a horse or what have you when a spirit takes over a person’s body that individual goes into possession or a trance state and so yes they become a vessel and that is something really really hard on a person’s body like they get yeah really really tired and yeah yeah that’s why you know I’m like

CeeJay Barnaby (21:06)
Yeah, he said, yeah, he was exhausted for days.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (21:13)
Why would they allow him to come in? Because even so, those type of ceremonies are usually closed off. Just like, not just anybody goes into it because you have to know what you’re doing and what you’re going into. It’s not advisable that you just walk into an active voodoo ceremony because the spirit can’t, it doesn’t just come through the mumbo in the case of voodoo. That’s what they’re referred to or uh, oogun. Instead it can go into anybody. The spirit can go into

anybody and speak through that person and work through that person. However, there does need to be a trained priest or priestess present to navigate the process and help that person to overcome. like, why he did that? It’s not a good idea. So I definitely don’t want to make light of what happened there with anybody who, you know, I’m just going to go into, you know, voodoo ceremony and get possessed type of deal. That’s not a good thing to happen.

CeeJay Barnaby (22:01)
No.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (22:10)
It does, like that’s a normal part of voodoo

CeeJay Barnaby (22:14)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah,

yeah, because it’s actually just, I’d say, reconnecting with the spirits in different sorts of ways.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (22:21)
It is. But you have to know what you’re doing, right? And there’s something that I preach to is being careful, like exercising wisdom and caution, not just going into it. That’s why education is so important because I do deal with that. People coming to me, they just decided that they just want to work with some kind of spirit and start integrating with what they think most of the time is the spirit. Most of the time they’re not even recognizing that spirit’s energetic pattern. And so they’re

CeeJay Barnaby (22:22)
Hmm.

Alright, yeah.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (22:50)
with a different spirit in what they actually think that they’re working with and they get themselves into a lot of issues. Yeah.

CeeJay Barnaby (22:58)
Ooh,

okay, because some spirits can actually mimic other spirits just to get the connection. Ooh, I’m watch out for them.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (23:03)
Absolutely.

Lower level spirits do that all the time because they want the attention, they want the food, they want all of the things that you’re bringing. And so, you know, I say that too. That’s another reason for the book, like we mentioned earlier. You said that in offering, any spirit can come and eat an offering. Right. So that’s why it’s done in a specific way. You need to know the protocol. You need to know what you’re doing before you just jump into their process.

CeeJay Barnaby (23:10)
The offerings, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, I think that more than likely a lot of issues people have with their lives and even their mentality nowadays could be even related back to ineffective spirit contact because they really don’t, first of all, don’t believe it’s possible and it still happens. And then how that plays out.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (23:48)
Mm-hmm.

CeeJay Barnaby (23:52)
is quite ordinary in some ways. can relate to that myself, because I didn’t believe possession was possible until I got possessed myself. And it was an awful time until I got that spirit off me. But that took about three and a half months of special ritualistic work. yeah, I couldn’t believe it until it was happening. So yeah, it’s tricky stuff. You’ve got to watch out. Some of these spirits are very tricky.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (24:12)
music.

They are

and a lot of people believe it or not are possessed. They don’t even know it, right? So they’re doing and they’re engaged in so many different types of things and they just think it’s normal or it’s okay when it’s not.

CeeJay Barnaby (24:21)
That’s it.

Often

people I think find once that possession leaves them, they can’t believe that was them. That it wasn’t them. Cause it like a part of them. Because the spirit integrates so much into their personality that once it’s gone, they’re like, my God, that wasn’t me. You know what I mean? Which is so odd. And that’s what I experienced as well. So at the heart of the ether wisdom and understanding all aspects life are interconnected.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (24:48)
Please do.

CeeJay Barnaby (24:56)
How do you actually bring that holistic view into your practice?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (25:00)
the holistic view in what regard? you say that again?

CeeJay Barnaby (25:03)
in regard to the interconnectedness of life.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (25:05)
Like, Ifa is a way of life. Voodoo is a way of life. Any African spiritual system is. And that’s where a lot of the confusion comes from in today’s time is that people do think it’s just something you just tap into when you need something or you just desire to go there for whatever reason and you just come back to life. But practitioners for devotees, practitioners of these traditions, this is a way of life. Yes, somebody can come and just get a Voodoo reading.

or an e-file reading and take care of whatever situation that they need to take care of. encourage that if that’s something that you need to do. But understanding that this is day-to-day life for somebody. You’re going to operate, you’re going to live by these principles. You’re going to wake up with a sense of understanding that life is all about balance and operating in Iwapele, which is gentle character. You’re going to follow those taboos because some taboos are for life, some of them are

temporary. You have to live that day by day. So like the very nature of our traditions is an integrative process. It’s not something that we separate.

CeeJay Barnaby (26:15)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see as a part of your coaching services that you offer a destiny alignment as well.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (26:22)
You see, we on for what now?

CeeJay Barnaby (26:24)
sorry, destiny alignment.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (26:26)
Where do you see it?

CeeJay Barnaby (26:26)
Can you explain?

That’s on your website.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (26:29)
that you’re seeing it as a service, you’re saying, or you’re just saying it is part of what we offer?

CeeJay Barnaby (26:33)
Yeah. So, so

it’s a part of what you offer in your services is like destiny alignment. How does that come through?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (26:41)
Okay, okay, I thought you were saying that you saw it as a service on my website. No, no, It’s like, we don’t offer a specific service. It’s, again, part of the practice. So, IFA is all about destiny alignment. When you get an IFA reading, you get a no-do, you are going to, everything that you do, every ritual work that you do, is about aligning you with your destiny.

CeeJay Barnaby (26:43)
Sorry.

no, no, no, no, no, no, that’s just a part of what happens.

Okay.

Okay, okay. And what advice would you give someone who’s just starting out their spiritual journey in the frameworks of the African traditional religions?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (27:17)
Educate yourself. That’s my consistent message. Don’t just jump in. Don’t rush in. You know, you’re not on a timetable. You’re not on a time clock. Just get in there. Get the education that you need, you know, before you just go down a path that you’re not really sure about.

CeeJay Barnaby (27:38)
Can you discuss any common misconceptions about African spirituality that people, that you’ve actually encountered and how would you address those in your work? mean, you probably see a lot of it. Yeah.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (27:47)
you

Yes, every day. So,

you know, of course it’s devil worship, it’s demonic, Satanism, so forth and so on. people assume that our deities are evil in everything that we’re doing, the rituals, the sacrifices, is, you know, to bring forth evil into the earth and for us to manipulate forces in a negative or malevolent way and so forth and so on. So that’s just the consistent one, right? I’m constantly being told

CeeJay Barnaby (27:53)
Ugh.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (28:17)
Jesus loves you, come back to Christ. Yes.

CeeJay Barnaby (28:22)
You

But that’s, I think that’s just misguided because they don’t understand what’s happening is you’re balancing the energies throughout all of creation by doing the work that you do.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (28:34)
Absolutely. And I don’t blame anyone for that because…

I didn’t think a whole lot about it before I got into it, but I was conditioned in the same way as the average person, right? This is what you’re told in the Western world that you know, these things are evil. It’s the money to connect with your ancestors to worship these deities and so forth and so on. So if you come from pretty much any of the Abrahamic traditions that are accessible, would say easily accessible to the average person, you are going to be taught that

African spirituality, African deities are evil and demonic and all of those different things. So I get it because yes, you know, I heard those things myself and it was some things that even I had to overcome some of the misconceptions. This is why say education is so important because I had to get the education and retrain my brain.

relearn what my ancestors were doing and what they were about.

CeeJay Barnaby (29:33)
Yeah, it’s sort of paradoxical that people would say that sort of thing about, you know, don’t connect with your ancestors. That’s all I mean. All the Christians connect with Jesus.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (29:41)
That’s all for tour, you know.

CeeJay Barnaby (29:41)
How has

mentoring others shaped your own understanding of spirituality and self-discovery? mean, that sort of thing is going to change you over time because you gain a better and deepest perspective of what’s happening. So how’s that changed you?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (29:57)
Absolutely, so it just helps me grow as a person of sin spiritually gives me more knowledge and wisdom because even though people are coming to me I absolutely learn from their journeys and they have information to even so offer me as we’re connecting them we’re you know speaking in it we’re talking because Everybody no matter where you are spiritually you’ve already had life experiences that have taught you certain things so I don’t negate any

wisdom from anybody, you know, it’s all about how is integrated into my experience or what have you. And of course, helping people get readings. I’m seeing more and more of the tradition and understanding more and more of what the tradition is about. And, you know, just the things that go on in people’s lives on a day to day basis. So yeah.

CeeJay Barnaby (30:48)
What have you seen in the way of successes with people? you have any, do you have any stories of successes that you could share that you could keep anonymized?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (30:55)
Absolutely. So many success stories. We see this on a daily basis almost now, which I am so grateful for. I’m going to share one story though of an individual, one of my clients who had his soul stolen, right? So he was dealing with, he was actually married, I think, to this young lady and they were going through the process of divorce. I think they were separated at the time and he was experiencing so much different phenomena.

And he you know didn’t want to be with her, but he found it hard not to be with her right and so he just started to feel like Something is going on. This is more than just me in this scenario And so he came to me to seek out help to figure out what was going on And we did the reading and realized that his stuff his soul had been taken by this individual she had done some really really high-level work to control

at the end of the day, right? And so of course we had to do the ritual work and so forth and so on to overcome all of these different dynamics and we did that and it worked out on his behalf and he was so grateful for it he decided to start to integrate into the practice because he wasn’t looking at integrating into the practice he just needed help and once he saw like this ritual work helped him out

He was just like, wow, I can’t believe this happened. And so he is now an active practitioner of IFA.

CeeJay Barnaby (32:25)
of those sort of stories, hearing people that, hearing of people that really didn’t know what was going on, but then discovered that they needed something that which was beyond their normal life. And then reaching into it, that also cleans them and helps them to understand that this is the right way. That’s really cool. Okay. So what future projects or goals do you have in mind that could further empower individuals within the realm of African spirituality?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (32:37)
Absolutely.

keep on educating people right now. We’re trying to build a community where people can come and just straightforward ask the questions because a lot of times on this end of it, we’re anticipating based on our own experiences or what questions we may have gotten in the past. But it’s different when you’re face to face with someone and they have certain questions or issues that they’re dealing with. And so that’s where we’re trying to get to a space where

We want to build that community so people feel like they have a place, solid or sound place to come and get their questions answered and to grow and to develop in the practice.

CeeJay Barnaby (33:30)
Okay. And do you have much contact with the spirits yourself in your daily practice?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (33:36)
Well, I deal with spirits every day. So it’s not this wookie, know, woo woo experience every day. No. I deal with, you know, from the time I, even when I’m sleeping, right? Cause when we sleep, go into a whole nother realm and deal with spirits. But.

CeeJay Barnaby (33:44)
boy.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (33:52)
As soon as I wake up, I’m interacting with my spirits, with my ancestors, my ori, with my ekbe yorun. I’m doing ritual work consistently throughout the day, communicating with them, praying, incantation, all kinds of things. So absolutely.

CeeJay Barnaby (34:11)
Yeah, no, I can relate to that. I had the spirits in my ear this morning, waking me up to talk to you.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (34:15)
you

CeeJay Barnaby (34:17)
as we discussed beforehand.

Okay, so is there any question that you think that I should have asked that I did not ask?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (34:23)
And not that I could think of,

CeeJay Barnaby (34:25)
Awesome. All right. Well, in that case, we’ve come close to the end of the podcast. So how can people find you in your services, Anthony?

Dr. Asanee Brogan (34:31)
Absolutely, so asunny44.com is my website. It’s the best place to reach me. I have all of my social media links on the website so that you know that you’re going to the right place when you click on those links. The best way to reach out is asunny44.com.

CeeJay Barnaby (34:45)
Easy. All right. Okay. I’ll just say goodbye to the listeners. Thanks for coming on.

Dr. Asanee Brogan (34:48)
Thank you.

CeeJay Barnaby (34:51)
It was a pleasure talking with Dr. Asanee just now, and I’ve appreciated that she’s shared so openly of her understanding of her tradition and how those play into the interconnectedness of life, which is extremely important. And how that plays into the interconnectedness of life. And that’s extremely important because in our day and age right now, it seems like everything is trying to push us apart. And I think we need this reconnection to our spirits and to our

traditions and our ancestors. So if you’ve enjoyed today’s show, like and subscribe. It’s free. And if you’re on a podcast app, press five stars and say something nice, cause I’d really appreciate that. And if you’ve enjoyed today’s show, you know, somebody that could really benefit from it, please share it to one person. That’d be really appreciated. And until next episode, it’s bye for now.

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