What if the ordinary deck of playing cards sitting in your drawer held the secrets to your life’s purpose, relationships, and timing? Alexander Dunlop and Viki Scudieri have spent years teaching people how to read their lives through what they call the Source Cards system.
Alexander’s journey began with a spiritual awakening at 17, leading him through Harvard philosophy studies, Wall Street careers, Catholic seminary, and even plans to become a Swami in India. His path took an unexpected turn at a Brooklyn party when a friend revealed his birth card – the nine of hearts – predicting tragic endings of the heart. The very next day, divorce papers sat on his table. This synchronicity launched 15 years of professional practice coaching people to play their cards right.
Viki’s story started differently. A medical crisis in her late 20s that doctors couldn’t solve was healed by an energy practitioner within days. This catapulted her into studying energy healing, eventually training at the Barbara Brennan School of Healing. When she met Alexander at a cafe 13 years ago, he read her entire life pattern in 20 minutes based on her birth date. What took her 20 years of personal growth work to understand, the cards laid out instantly.
The system rests on fascinating mathematics. The standard 52-card deck mirrors our solar year with 52 weeks, four suits matching four seasons, and 13 cards per suit reflecting 13 weeks per season. When you add the face values of all cards (ace as 1, jack as 11, queen as 12, king as 13), the total equals 364. The Joker, valued at 1.25, completes the 365-day year. This mathematical precision convinced Alexander the system held genuine wisdom.
Each person receives 13 cards based on their birth date, creating a human template that reveals purpose, natural gifts, recurring patterns, and life lessons. Your birth card stays constant throughout life, but how you play it determines your outcomes. The system also provides yearly cards, 52-day cycle cards, and even daily cards for those wanting detailed guidance.
The couple emphasizes this isn’t fortune telling. Rather than predicting fixed futures, the cards show energy patterns you can work with consciously. When Viki received the Ace of Spades for her year – traditionally called the death card – she initially feared losing loved ones. Instead, she learned to release old belief systems and initiate new patterns of thinking. The card empowered transformation rather than predicting tragedy.
Relationship dynamics form one of the most powerful applications. Each person’s life path includes planetary cards – Venus for love connections, Saturn for challenging lessons, Jupiter for abundance. When you meet someone playing your Venus card, romantic chemistry flows naturally. Someone playing your Saturn card might create friction, but they bring important growth lessons.
The couple shares their own shadow dance as an example. Viki’s Pluto card is the four of hearts, leading her to unconsciously box up emotions and present a fine facade. Alexander’s Pluto card is the king of clubs, causing him to unconsciously lecture or condescend when triggered. These shadow patterns only emerge in intimate relationships where defenses drop. Knowing their cards helps them recognize when they’re falling into unconscious patterns and choose different responses.
Professional applications prove equally powerful. Alexander coached a senior vice president who felt stuck at a glass ceiling. Her birth card was the eight of diamonds – the alpha, the chief. Through coaching, she unraveled conditioning from growing up with four older brothers in a chauvinistic household. Once she accepted her natural leadership pattern and started embodying it, she was promoted to C-suite executive of the Pacific Rim Division. Nothing external changed except her internal acceptance of who she truly was.
The sacred geometry underlying the cards connects to ancient wisdom traditions. The pip patterns themselves contain profound symbolism. The king’s pattern forms the Phi symbol and the Chinese character for the middle way. The queen’s 12 pips create a perfect golden rectangle. These patterns represent the fractal structures organizing reality itself.
For those curious about their own cards, the couple recommends starting simple. Visit their website, enter your birth date, and begin studying your birth card and personality card. Their book “Play Your Cards Right: A Sacred Guide to Life on Earth” provides comprehensive information about all 13 cards in your life path. Certification training programs exist for those wanting to read cards professionally.
The system works best for people ready to do inner work. Those resistant to self-reflection or symbolic frameworks won’t benefit. The couple learned early on never to give unsolicited readings, even as gifts. The recipient must genuinely want the information for it to land meaningfully.
What makes this system compelling is its blend of mathematical precision, ancient wisdom, and practical application. Whether you’re a CEO feeling empty despite success, a couple struggling with recurring conflicts, or someone simply seeking clarity about your purpose, the Source Cards offer a tangible map. The cards don’t remove free will or predetermine outcomes. They simply reveal the energy patterns you’re working with, allowing conscious choice about how to play them.
As Alexander puts it, we’re souls playing a human game. We chose our cards before arriving, then forgot so we could have immediate experiential engagement with our themes. The game is challenging by design – if it weren’t, we’d get bored. Having compassion for yourself while learning to play becomes essential. Life becomes less about controlling outcomes and more about engaging the present moment as a puzzle to solve, a playground to enjoy.
The Source Cards system reminds us that sacred wisdom often hides in plain sight. What appears ordinary – a simple deck of playing cards – contains extraordinary depth when we know how to look. This ancient knowledge, once called the Little Unbound Book of Life, offers modern seekers a practical tool for self-discovery, relationship healing, and purposeful living.
Chapters
00:00 What Are Source Cards and Why Do They Matter
01:43 Alexander’s Spiritual Journey From Harvard to Brooklyn
05:10 Viki’s Healing Crisis and Energy Work Discovery
06:26 The 20 Minute Reading That Changed Everything
07:46 Who Are We and Why Are We Here
10:01 The Mathematical Proof Behind the Cards
12:55 What Your Birth Card Reveals About You
15:23 Yearly Cards and Daily Guidance Systems
18:16 The Joker as Fifth Element and Cosmic Giggle
19:31 Sacred Geometry and the Tree of Life Connection
24:24 How Birth Dates Become 13 Plus Life Cards
25:08 Cards for Vocation, Relationships and Timing
30:26 Finding Your Authentic Vibration Through Cards
32:32 Birth Cards Stay Constant But Playing Them Evolves
33:01 The Empty CEO and Missing Soul Connection
35:18 Relationship Dynamics and Compassionate Understanding
40:10 When Has the System Failed to Help Someone
42:47 Working With Trauma and Symbolic Resistance
44:10 Getting Started With Your Own Card Reading
Transcript
Alexander And Viki (00:00)
What is the resonance of who we are that is most satisfying to our soul? Not what looks like on paper, not what, you read the book about how to be a business leader, What is it that truly resonates your soul? What is it that satisfies your soul? Here’s a map to see that.
CeeJay Barnaby (00:18)
Today on Super Normalised, I sit down with Alexander Dunlop and Vicky Scudieri, the husband and wife team behind the source cards. They teach a surprising idea. The ordinary 52 card deck is a sacred mathematical blueprint for the solar year and a tool for reading your life design. Alexander brings hard philosophy, Wall Street strategy and deep initiatory.
training across shamanic and theological traditions, while Vicki brings somatic healing, intuitive mastery, and decades of creative work as a healer and artist. Together, they show you how 13 birth cards reveal life purpose, natural gifts, recurring patterns, dynamics, and timing cycles that guide practical choices. Listen for a clear.
grounded conversation that moves from the math and symbolism of the deck to real life applications. And then learn how to make better choices at work, repair your relationships and dissolve stubborn patterns. Expect vivid stories from their own personal journeys and sharp philosophical framing and an approachable healing tool that anyone can try at home. I found this conversation very interesting I never considered the
the plain playing cards to be something that could be a tool for spiritual and life advancement. You’ll enjoy this episode. I certainly did.
Welcome to Supernormalised Alexander and Vicky.
Alexander And Viki (01:43)
Thank you so much for having us, CJ. We’re happy to be here.
CeeJay Barnaby (01:46)
Yeah, I’m really curious about your story because from what I understand of it, you’ve created something out of what most people would consider very ordinary that actually helps people to evolve and change. I’ve got to ask first of all, how did a Harvard philosopher and a Barbara Brennan trained healer end up teaching a system on a deck of playing cards? I mean, that’s wild.
Alexander And Viki (02:08)
It’s
a long story. It is wild. is wild and wonderful. Whenever I’ve shared my full story to people, they tell me it’s the most interesting life story they’ve ever heard. It’s a journey. It started with a spiritual awakening when I was 17. Of course it wasn’t random. It was intentional from a higher perspective.
CeeJay Barnaby (02:11)
Hahaha
Alexander And Viki (02:29)
And that spiritual awakening when I was 17 led me on a journey and through many different twists and turns, Catholic seminary, going to India to be a Swami. Meanwhile, I had studied philosophy at Harvard, as you mentioned, and I worked on Wall Street. I had a whole corporate career, but I had this spiritual yearning as well. It led me through psychedelics, recreational drugs, ayahuasca, you name it. And I was searching, looking for what is the meaning of life? Why are we here?
And then it was at a party in Brooklyn in my 30s that an old friend who I knew from Burning Man, he’s like, hey, what’s your date of birth? And I’m like, 30th, why? And he says, that means your birth card is the nine of hearts. And you’re to go through tragic endings of the heart and you’re to have to learn to let go and move on. The day before he told me that I had divorce papers on the table with my ex-wife. So it really was a tragic ending of the heart.
And that was my first introduction to the real meaning of these cards. And there wasn’t much known about it. It was still taught as a fortune telling system. And through my own research and meditation, I came to realize what it is. It’s a spiritual toolkit. It comes from the Tree of Life, the Flower of Life. It was once known as the Book of Life, Little Unbound Book of Life. And it helps us to know who we are and why we’re here. Based on math, we have 13 cards in our life path based on our date of birth.
And that’s our human template. And when we know that, then we know our direction. We have a simple map. We still have free will. You still choose how you want to play the cards. But at least now you have the map. You know, you know, you have the information to support your decision making. And so I started a professional practice 15 years ago to coach people, literally coach people to play their cards right. And, and here we are 15 years later and
CeeJay Barnaby (03:51)
Mm.
Mmm.
Alexander And Viki (04:14)
My beloved wife joined forces with me a few years ago and we’re doing our best. It’s a mission for us to get the word out, spread the word that this ancient knowledge was hidden in plain sight all this time. It provides us with a map that helps us transcend the binary where
We’re stuck in a binary left-right, you know, politically and religiously. True-false, no, I’m true, you’re false, I’m right, you’re wrong. This is a model of reality that transcends that simplistic binary and gives us a 52 factorial model of reality where there’s literally infinite possibilities, but it’s a finite system. And that’s our space-time matrix. That’s the way it was set up. It was intelligently designed that way.
There’s much more I feel like I’m saying a lot I’m gonna pause there pause there and ⁓ let Vicki tell her story because she has her own story as well
CeeJay Barnaby (04:59)
That’s good, that’s good.
Yeah, sure. Vicki, please tell us how did this join in with your understanding of the world?
Alexander And Viki (05:10)
Yes, so my journey started with a medical issue in my late 20s. I went to a bunch of doctors. They couldn’t figure out what was going on with me. I went to an energy healer and within like one to three days my issue was resolved after the healing. So that really catapulted me into the world of the unseen, energy healing, spirituality, God.
What is God? Who is God? You know, all of these things, just diving in, traveling and soul searching. I ended up going to the Robert Brennan School of Healing many years later, doing lots of weekend workshops, getting lots of tools in my toolbox to around, you know, energy healing, shifting belief systems, helping people to feel the best they possibly can in life. And it was a lot of
know, deep work on myself to be able to do that, really looking at my own wounding, my shadow side, my challenges, my lessons in my life. And then, so it’s 13 years ago, I met Alexander at a cafe and he asked me my date of birth and he proceeded to tell me all about myself in 20 minutes. And the good and the not so good, you know, was like, you know.
CeeJay Barnaby (06:26)
Yeah,
was that really shocking at the time?
Alexander And Viki (06:26)
Really nice things.
Yeah. I don’t recommend this strategy for picking up chicks. Not necessarily the way to go. Yeah. Yeah, but it worked for me. It worked. But so we joke that, you know, I had spent about 20 years on this journey of growth and evolution within myself. And in 20 minutes, he laid all of that on the table, like a template of a lot of those things on the table in 20 minutes, you know.
CeeJay Barnaby (06:31)
Too much too much too soon. good.
Alexander And Viki (06:55)
based on this system of knowledge. So that really got me, you know, I was like, I love things that are different out of the box. It’s in my cards to play that way as well. But then when I started looking up friends and family, that’s when it really, really just sealed the deal for me. It was so healing and illuminating to look up my parents, my family, friends, past.
relationships, people I was no longer friends with, past lovers, you know, it just like brought so much clarity knowing their cards to play, their energy patterns that they were playing versus mine. And then also the dynamic between the two. And that that’s my favorite topic. I love relationship dynamics when it comes to the cards. And that’s really it’s just profound knowledge and so helpful for guidance. Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (07:46)
Wow, that’s cool. I
love that. Alexander, I’m just gonna roll back and ask you then, considering your experiences and everything, who are we and why are we here?
Alexander And Viki (07:51)
Yeah.
Ooh, I like it. You’re going right in there. Well, we, for lack of a better word, we are a soul and we are playing a human game. And for example, my birth card, again, based on math is the nine of hearts. And I would say that we choose our cards to play before we come in. We choose the life path, the theme that we’re here to explore. And then we forget.
so that we can have the immediate experiential engagement with whatever the theme may be, whatever the journey may be. It is a game that we’re playing and it’s a challenging game. If it weren’t challenging, we’d get bored. So I often am telling my clients that, yes, it’s a challenging game. So have compassion for yourself that you haven’t quite mastered it yet because we judge ourselves. We want to be better. We should have done this or that.
It’s a lifelong game and if it weren’t challenging you’d get bored. So it’s a good thing that it’s challenging you’re here to play along and Play these patterns out and I’m honestly candidly still learning that for myself It’s still a continual reframe for me of how can I look at this situation as if this is a game? Which it is and how can I play it rather than?
Like double down on it or like try to control it or feel like I’m the victim of it. I don’t like this I wish it were different like no this is exactly what it is and how can I engage in this present moment and Play it like a game like it’s a Rubik’s Cube or a riddle that I’m trying to solve and how can I engage my life that way as a puzzle to solve as a riddle as a ⁓
playground monkey bars, and I fell off when I tried to cross the monkey bars that alright I’ll try again. Let me see if I can master it this time. Well, I’m a little scared to go down the slide. Okay, I’ll take a deep breath and then maybe tomorrow I’ll be confident enough to slide down that big slide. A really and truly like a child at play and you know the ancient wisdom of Jesus to approach life like little children and so on that that is the way for us to look at our life and
In my better moments, that’s the way I do it. And I’m still learning as well.
CeeJay Barnaby (10:01)
Yeah, I think we never stop learning to be honest.
So you first recognized that 52, 4, 13 template as more than a coincidence. how did you actually get back into that to actually get that full understanding? mean, did you study other ancient methods of reading the cards or was this something that came to you intuitively that made a lot of sense?
Alexander And Viki (10:08)
yeah.
You’re asking a big question. There’s multiple layers to this. So let me see if I can answer it in steps. When I first heard about it, as I mentioned at a party in Brooklyn, there were already some books written about it. And this friend of mine had read a book about it. And so there was already a baseline of information. Not much, but there was a baseline that I could read and look into. That’s the first thing. The second thing is that
The math is what sold me as well that there are 52 cards in the deck, 52 weeks in the year, four suits, four seasons, 13 cards in each season, 13 weeks. No, did I say that wrong? 13 weeks in each season, 13 cards in the suit. And then when you add up the face values of the cards, the ace is one and then you have the two through 10, the jack is 11, queen is 12 and the king is 13.
Add them together, 1 plus 2 plus 3. For all the 52 cards, you add them up and you get 364. And then the Joker is the 53rd archetype. He’s the fifth element in the four-part construct. And his mathematical value is 5 over 4, or 1 on 1 fourth. So it’s a perfect replica of our solo year. So that math, very interesting. The final piece of it though, of what really persuaded me wasn’t…
necessarily studying other systems or any other intellectual exercise. I was single at the time. I had just gone through a divorce. I’m living in New York City and I was studying these cards and it was still theoretical and it was interesting to me. It seemed accurate to me. I would go out to local bars where, know, just my favorite places to go out as a single guy. And after a couple of drinks, I’d start talking to the people around me and I’d be like, you know,
There’s this weird thing and I know maybe it’s nothing, but I wanted to just ask you like, what’s your birthday? And they would tell me. And then I would say, ⁓ that means your birth card is the five of clubs. And it means this, this and this about you. Now this is in New York city where people will tell you straight away what they really think. And they will famously New Yorkers are famous for that. And I would say this to someone at the bar and they’d be like, Whoa, my God, that’s so accurate. Hey, Bob.
CeeJay Barnaby (12:21)
Yeah, they don’t hold back.
Alexander And Viki (12:28)
Bob, you gotta get over here, this guy’s doing this thing with cards. And I did that over and over and over again, and eventually I was like, I think this is accurate. I think this might really be something. And then over the years of doing thousands of readings, finding that it’s accurate for people. I can’t explain really, truthfully why, but it is, and it works, and it helps people. So that’s the final piece of what convinced me.
was the actual application of it.
CeeJay Barnaby (12:55)
⁓
Yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. What do you think is the single most important thing the source cards reveal about a person?
Alexander And Viki (13:04)
They reveal a whole template of one’s life path. So why someone is here, their purpose, their gifts, their life lessons and challenges, their shadow side, dynamics of relationships. It’s just this comprehensive sort of template of all about someone and the energy patterns that they’re playing. And they can play those patterns on the high side or the low side. So.
First, it’s really about learning what the cards are for someone and then accepting and just taking in what those cards are. And then starting to explore within oneself. And you know, someone has to be ready for this, you know, it’s like, do you want to do the work? Do you want to look at yourself? Do you want to evolve and grow? You know, so when you’re ready for it, it’s like it offers so much wisdom and guidance as to live.
CeeJay Barnaby (13:47)
Mm. Yeah.
Alexander And Viki (13:57)
how to live one’s life in the best way possible, utilizing those patterns that I believe I’m a soul, I chose these patterns choosing my birthday, utilizing those patterns that are in play. So yeah, so it’s really just, again, it’s first to just know them and to have the awareness and to accept what they are. Sometimes there could be resistance. People are like, I don’t play my cards that way or that’s not me.
But it’s really taking it in and saying, wow, can you like explore places where you might do those things and be honest with yourself and explore and self-reflect using these patterns that you are actually playing out and then playing them consciously, playing them on purpose as opposed to by default, because we do things by default, you know, let’s like.
That’s how we create, we manifest by default. So we might as well purposefully create our reality knowing the energy patterns that are in play. Knowing the tools we have at our disposal. Knowing the crayons we have in our crayon box. I’ve got a red and a yellow crayon and you’ve got a green and a blue crayon. We’re going to color different things but we still have free will to create the picture that we want.
CeeJay Barnaby (14:55)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Curious about the way it maps to say the seasons and the year. Is there any way that you can actually lay the cards out for a season for yourself and then understand what you should be looking out for?
Alexander And Viki (15:23)
Another great question. So we have a template for life of our cards and we have a template for each year. And within each year you have a card for a 52 day cycle and also weekly cycles. So it’s not exactly a season but yearly, 52 day, weekly and then daily cards. You’ll have
You could have like a daily horoscope kind of air quotes thing if you wanted to. And we do have that as an option on our website. People have purchased that. If they want to read along with their cards every single day, they can do that. And that’s what we do as well. So yes, you do have cards every year that show you the cycles of your year, if that’s what you meant. Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (16:06)
Yeah, that’s right. Yeah, I was, I
was asking that. So that makes me understand then that maybe you can look at your own cards and go, okay, so I’m this sort of person. And then in comparison to what’s happening for this day, I should expect this and that way I can work better with it, know, flow with it.
Alexander And Viki (16:18)
Yes, absolutely. Yes. Yes.
And also, you know, people do use this for fortune telling, and that’s not the way we teach it or use it, you know. So it’s really about utilizing the energy. How can this energy guide me?
CeeJay Barnaby (16:29)
Okay.
Alexander And Viki (16:34)
When I first learned the system, I did have a reading with someone who told me my cards for the year, the yearly cards. Not my life path of cards, which are for my entire life, but the yearly cards. And one of my yearly cards was an Ace of Spades. And the person said, know, you know, it’s the death, card of death, you know, of losing, you could lose some people in your life that you’re really close to this year.
Well, like that whole year, like it was kind of buzzing in the back of my head, you know, someone’s going to die, who’s going to die? My parents are going to die. I mean, it just, you know, it didn’t feel good, I should say, you know, like I really held on to that in some ways. And at the end of the year, no one close to me died. But the Ace of Spades, the Ace is about initiating new beginnings, endings. Spades are about consciousness, belief systems, assumptions.
So I can utilize that and say, wait, I can let go of some old patterns and belief systems in my life this year, as opposed to like having to be paranoid or something that something’s going to happen. It’s more about utilizing. How can I use this energy to the best of my ability? You know, like, what do I believe about myself in life that doesn’t serve me? And can I let, can I end that? And can I initiate new belief systems about myself and about life? You know, that kind of thing. And you know,
I mean, funny enough, I let go of even a definition that these cards would predict the future for me. It didn’t. It didn’t predict the future. I let go of that belief that that could really tell me what was going to happen initiating a new belief. So yeah, it’s really about empowering oneself.
CeeJay Barnaby (18:08)
Yeah, I can hear that in that. Now the Joker became the 53rd symbol for leap years. What practical meaning do you give that fifth element for people living today?
Alexander And Viki (18:16)
Well, anyone born on December 31st is born to play the Joker. So they have a special role. And if you ever meet someone born on December 31st, you will pretty quickly, once you get to know them, recognize that they’re different. And they feel different. They know that they’re different. And in the classic archetype of the lonely clown, they can feel lonely and depressed and misunderstood. But the Joker has a special role. see on the
Diagram behind us that the Joker is the pinnacle card He’s right up at the top That’s the pinnacle of understanding of our reality to appreciate the cosmic giggle to get the joke It’s all fun. It’s all for play not take ourselves too seriously The role of someone born to play the Joker is to show us The places where there are cracks in the matrix
And as think it was the poet Rumi said, there’s a crack in everything. That’s how the light gets in. And that’s the role of the Joker is to point out the cracks, hence they can get kind of cracked up themselves. And then to help the light get in, to help that, let’s call it cosmic light or divine light enter into our human matrix. So that’s the special role of the Joker.
CeeJay Barnaby (19:24)
Mm-hmm, I understood. How do you connect the deck to sacred geometry and the tree of life without turning it into an abstract system?
Alexander And Viki (19:31)
Well, that’s another multi-layered question. Do you have a background in philosophy?
CeeJay Barnaby (19:38)
No, well,
I do, but I’m not academic by any means.
Alexander And Viki (19:42)
I like these philosophical style questions. Let me approach the answer by saying that
The cards represent the fractal nature of reality as above so below. The microcosm is a holographic representation of the macrocosm. The theoretical is the same as the experiential. The abstract is the same as the application of it. I told you the earlier part about how I finally accepted the truth of the system was in the real tangible experiential
reality of drunken New Yorkers at a bar and talking to them about their cards to play. It can be just abstract, for sure, for some people. It can be an intellectual exercise. I think for those types of people, that’s when it becomes more of a fortune telling instrument, a mental curiosity to satisfy their own mental fears and worries. Like, what’s going to happen in the future? no, let me find out.
It’s a fear-based approach. So it can be just abstract. It is abstract. I mean, it is. We can talk about it theoretically. So it is an abstraction at that level. The sacred geometric part of it, that’s a much deeper topic. Do you want to say something? You pulled stuff out to talk about know, Alexander has done a lot of channeling on these.
sacred symbols and taking this system to the next level. Most of it is all about fortune telling, predicting future, and Alexander is using this as an empowerment, well, we are as an empowerment tool, coaching people to play their cards well. some of the things he meditated on was like, for example, so here I have the King of Spades, and we’re familiar with this picture of the King of Spades.
But the pip pattern underneath the King of Spades is something that came to Alexander. Here you’re talking about a sacred symbol that there’s so much going on in that you can see a lot of different symbols inside of that patterning. That’s the 13 of spades. So that’s the arrangement of the patterning for the number 13 where the 13 has been
CeeJay Barnaby (21:43)
Yeah, right.
Alexander And Viki (21:50)
known as the King and the King is the icon that has been placed over the top of this pattern. This is the Phi symbol. It’s also the Chinese character for the middle way. Phi symbol. finding the middle way, which is what the Kings are about. The Kings are all about finding the middle path. And then the Queen is the golden rectangle. And so there’s the Queen. But then the 12 pips, it’s a golden rectangle. Like perfectly.
CeeJay Barnaby (22:04)
Mm.
Yeah, right.
Alexander And Viki (22:16)
symmetrical perfection beauty. And the king and the queen, that’s what air quotes rules the kingdom, those are the patterns that define our reality. Those are the structures and building blocks of our reality. That’s the fractal patterning with which our reality is organized. And that’s represented in air quotes, the king and the queen of our reality.
And there’s much more, you know, that’s a taste. And then, well, I pulled out some other cards that you show you because is this video only or they’re listening to video as well? OK, so and if you have a deck at home, you can pull out your deck and look at these patterns as well. We’ve taken the numbers off the cards so that you can really see the patterns. So, for example, here’s a three, three of clubs. And this is a channel. There it is. There’s a channel.
CeeJay Barnaby (22:46)
It’s video as well, yeah.
Alexander And Viki (23:02)
The pip patterns… you’re just listening, it’s a straight line we’re pointing to. And a channel or a compass marching to the beat of your own drum. Clubs represent the mind, mental knowledge, wisdom. So these pip patterns show us how to play the cards well. When on the low side, this three of clubs can become indecisive when it goes to the side. And so it’s about coming back into alignment, into…
That channel of energy, the channel of wisdom coming through someone. You know, someone playing the three of clubs or you know, somebody’s playing the three of clubs for their life or you know, there are cards in play every single day, right? So then we’re all playing those cards. We’re all being affected by those cards. You know, today for example is the Jack of Spades when we’re doing this recording.
CeeJay Barnaby (23:32)
That’s clear to me.
Mmm.
Alexander And Viki (23:49)
So we’re all being affected by the Jack of Spades energy. Actually, it’s different time for you. So actually you’re playing a different card right now. You are. I love that. You are. you, it’s February 2nd as of this recording, right? That’s great. Yeah. So for you, it’s a 10 of spades energy that you’re in at the moment. And for us, the Jack of Spades. But yeah, each day is a pattern.
CeeJay Barnaby (23:58)
Yeah, I’m in the future.
That’s correct.
Alexander And Viki (24:17)
When we know the pattern, then we have a more informed choice. We have more information with which to make a decision about how we want to play out that day.
CeeJay Barnaby (24:27)
Okay, that’s nice and clear. I’ve got a question for you around the birth card system. And I wanted to know, can you walk us through how a birth date becomes the 13 plus life cards? What does the plus usually represent?
Alexander And Viki (24:38)
Okay, the plus is meaning that we actually have more than just the 13 in our life. We’ve developed that shorthand to say it’s 13 plus because it’s more than 13. You have the 13 in your life path, but then every year you have cards in play as well. And then even for your life, you also have underlying cards that represent challenges or karmic lessons that you’re here to learn. So that’s…
really just our shorthand of saying that’s 13 plus more than even just the 13 in your life path.
CeeJay Barnaby (25:08)
What do the cards, the 13 cards typically show about vocation, relationships and timing? And can you give any examples of that that are really stand out?
Alexander And Viki (25:17)
Well, do you want to do the first part? then I’ll do the examples. Like, what does it show about career or relationships, those 13 cards in the life path? So, relationships, there’s so many different places to look in the template of the cards as to the dynamics of relationships. So they can show a good match, romantic match for someone. They can show dynamics for…
like what your child’s cards ⁓ are playing versus the parent’s card that they’re playing, you know, because often the child is playing a different card than the parent, you know, so the person can learn, you know, how to support their child in playing the child’s cards well as opposed to like putting, you know, whatever the parent’s cards or energy patterns are onto the child. There’s so many different things to look at. Like if you were,
playing the same number or the same suit, often people are attracted to each other. Like for example, like a two of clubs and a two of diamonds might like, like, ⁓ they kind of like get in sync and connect with each other because they’re both twos or a club and a club like might have a really stimulating conversation and be like, wow, you don’t have a lot to talk about because they’re both playing clubs. Those are ways to connect. And then there’s
CeeJay Barnaby (26:21)
you
Alexander And Viki (26:33)
You have your life path of cards. Someone else has a life path of cards. If you are in each other’s life path of cards, that also shows dynamics. So you have, for example, a Venus card. So that would be a love connection for you, the Venus card that’s in your life path. Somebody playing your Saturn card, which is about life lessons and challenges.
might be challenging for you. might feel tension with them. You might butt heads with them, you know, or you might just like be really open to like learning from them, you know, like, wow, I could really learn a lot from them. And you know, you know, I mean, there’s so much to get into. And so there’s a lot in relationships, but you also asked about career. And so for example, you could in your life path, look at your Jupiter card. So my birth card is the nine of hearts in my life path. My Jupiter card is the jack of clubs and that
Jack of clubs will show me how to have more financial abundance in my life. And if I were to meet someone who’s born to play the Jack of clubs, and I know this because I know my cards, right away my ears perk up and I’m looking and I’m excited because I know that energetically this person brings me more financial abundance. And it may not show up directly as they’re gonna be a client or they’re gonna buy something, but they may have an idea.
CeeJay Barnaby (27:27)
⁓ that’s cool.
Alexander And Viki (27:49)
And so I’m listening closely. They may say something just casually like, ⁓ this and this and this, and this person is doing this and I learned this thing over here. And I know that if I follow that thread, I’ll find something that will bring more abundance in my life. Maybe I’ll read that book and that book will give me some guidance that will help me make money. So I’m listening carefully if I meet someone born to play the Jack of clubs, because I know that they’ll help me find more abundance. And then
The last part of your question, examples, there are so many examples we could give of how this has helped people. I’ll give one quick one, which is a client of mine who is a woman who was born to play the eight of diamonds. And the eight of diamonds is the alpha, is the chief. And when she came to me as a coaching client, she thought she had hit a glass ceiling. She was senior vice president in her fortune 500 company.
And she’s like, I like my company. I like it there a lot, but I keep getting passed over for promotion. I think I’ve hit that proverbial glass ceiling. And I looked in her cards and I said, well, you have the card to be an alpha. You could be a boss. And she’s like, I kind of feel that way, but I also feel like it would be arrogant of me to think that way of myself. Right. So then through the coaching process, it’s learning to unravel and disentangle all the past conditioning and programming.
where she as a woman raised in a chauvinistic household with four older brothers, never saw herself as a boss, as a chief. And through the coaching work over several month process, unraveling that, she called me up one day. She’s like, Alexander, you’re not gonna believe it. I just got promoted. They want me to be the C-suite executive of the Pacific Rim Division and I’m gonna run this entire division. I’m like, what happened? What changed? She’s like,
I don’t know, nothing changed. The boss called me in and said, we want you to do it. From my perspective, the only thing that changes, she started, as Vicky is saying, accepting herself. And then she starts exuding that vibrational frequency of, am a boss. She’s no longer doubting herself. She’s in that state of acceptance. And that’s what we’ve seen over and over and over again for people is when we start accepting our cards to play, and as Vicky said, consciously playing them on purpose, then
CeeJay Barnaby (29:40)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Alexander And Viki (29:57)
synchronistically everything lines up and I’ve seen it over and over and over again. The right people show up, doors open, all because we’re playing our cards right. And that was the other proof you asked me earlier, like what convinced me, that was another big part of the proof when I first started doing this work, that people would come back to me and be like, you’re not going to believe it, but I met my soulmate or I got that job. You know, and the only thing that changed was that they started consciously focusing on playing their cards right. And then that lines them up energetically.
CeeJay Barnaby (30:17)
Nice.
Alexander And Viki (30:25)
be in the right place at the right time.
CeeJay Barnaby (30:26)
So knowing the patterns that they should be playing allowed them to manifest the reality that they needed to manifest. Beautiful. Love it. I went to your website and I did actually put my birth date in and I got my ones as well. Don’t rub your ears together.
Alexander And Viki (30:33)
Bingo.
Here
we go! Here we go! I’ve been wanting to know the whole time!
CeeJay Barnaby (30:46)
Birth card is the ace of clubs. So that ties in really nicely what I’m doing anyway. you know, it makes a lot of sense. And then my personality card is the queen of clubs.
Alexander And Viki (30:48)
Okay. What’s your personality card? Yeah.
Double clubs. Wow, fantastic. You are here to gather knowledge.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:01)
Yeah, I feel like that for sure.
Alexander And Viki (31:05)
Wow. Yeah.
Initiating new knowledge. Are you very intuitive? Like psychic intuitive? Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:10)
Yeah,
everything. I’ve been at the of the universe and back. yeah. Yeah.
Alexander And Viki (31:14)
Yeah, the ace of clubs, you’re here to initiate new knowledge. And then the queen of clubs, you nurture people with the knowledge that you do have.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:21)
while I’m running this podcast.
Alexander And Viki (31:23)
There you go. There you go.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:24)
I’ve got a question about the birth cards though. How stable do they stay through a lifetime considering that people going through life change and can change dramatically?
Alexander And Viki (31:32)
It’s your card for life. Your birth card is your birth card for life. How you play it changes everything. And for me, I know my nine of hearts when I didn’t know it and when I played it badly, I would get into some very unhappy situations for myself. And then when I’ve more and more and more chosen to play it well,
I’ve seen magical, miraculous, really miraculous things happen for me by consciously choosing to play it well. So the life can look very different depending on how we play it, the outcomes that we get, but the card stays the same. Well, and also to answer your question, like it can just keep getting better and better as far as I’m concerned. Like I can just play it even better and even better. Like as I work on myself, as I self-reflect, as I play the…
Five of diamonds, like, you know, more and more out of the box, giving a fresh perspective, being myself in all situations, you know? So I feel like, I feel like it just, we can progress in it, even though it’s the same card, like, you know, for the whole life.
CeeJay Barnaby (32:32)
It sounds like it
leads people to a path of true authenticity.
Alexander And Viki (32:36)
Yes, exactly. then the other part of you, exactly. The other part of your question is that we do have cars every year. So we have new cars every year within the larger concentric circle is nested realities of the yearly dynamics. So you’re born to play the ace of clubs with a queen of clubs personality. And then every year you have new cards that show you themes and lessons and opportunities for your year.
CeeJay Barnaby (33:01)
Right. Yeah, I’m curious about that. I’m going to have to learn more for sure. So for practical applications, just say I’m a CEO who’s successful, but empty. What first practical step with the source cards would you have me take?
Alexander And Viki (33:11)
Know your source cards. Know thyself. Yeah, we hear this a lot because you could be on the outside, you look really successful, but you feel empty, right? Something’s missing. And, you know, most of the time we see it’s because the person doesn’t know their cards to play and they’re not playing their cards. You know, maybe they’re using their will, things that they’ve, you know, learned from the outside world, from their parents, from other teachers.
but they’re not really activating their unique essence within them. The thing that’s coming to me as an example would be like someone playing a heart card and yet they’re doing things all like from their will and like, you know, like as I’ve just suggested, but actually if they’re playing a heart card, they really need to come forth from their emotional intelligence and from their emotions and express their vulnerability and their emotions.
even as a leader, like, or in a work situation. And so, like, once they start doing that, they feel more fulfilled within themselves because they’re actually activating that, you know, the template, that energy pattern that they’re playing based on source cards. Yeah. And yeah, exactly. And so then to add on to what Vicki’s saying, the simple way to say the answer is what’s missing for such a person who has all the success on paper
They’ve climbed the top of the mountain. The thing that’s missing is their connection to themselves. That’s what’s missing. And that’s why they feel unfulfilled. And this is a simple toolkit. It’s not the only one. can use, there’s so many toolkits out there, so many different esoteric maps and ways to get in touch with ourselves. This is the one I like the best, that we like the best, simplest in our opinion to use, easiest, and it’s visual.
It’s a way to get in touch with, as you said, what is our authentic vibration?
What is the resonance of who we are that is most satisfying to our soul? Not what looks like on paper, not what, you you read the book about how to be a business leader, you have your MBA about how to be successful. What is it that truly resonates your soul? What is it that satisfies your soul? Here’s a map to see that.
CeeJay Barnaby (35:18)
Couples, how does knowing your partner’s card improve conflict resolution and intimacy?
Alexander And Viki (35:24)
Here she comes. ⁓ Gosh, it’s just so helpful to know the energy patterns that the other person is playing to have more compassion for them, to fully accept them more. feel like there’s so much about acceptance, accepting oneself and my and our own cards to play versus this other person seeing them and the cards that they’re playing. It’s like you can accept, you know, the way they show up.
CeeJay Barnaby (35:26)
Hahaha!
Alexander And Viki (35:53)
because you know the patterns underneath. You know, know the patterns that are in play. First of all, that’s hugely helpful just to know, to have the awareness of it. And then there are things like, you know, the high side versus the low side of a card in play. If you’re, you know, this other person is playing the low side, you know, ⁓ wow, like they’re, you know, in that, the lower side of that pattern right now, that doesn’t have anything to do with me. They’re playing that out. Like that’s what’s happening right now.
and you can approach them differently knowing that that’s what’s happening.
We have a shadow card, Pluto card, in our life path of cards. Something that’s been very helpful with our clients, with our relationship with each other, is knowing the Pluto card of the other person. The Pluto is the unconscious hidden fears. So often the person is not, unless they’ve done a lot of work on themselves, they’re not aware of that unconscious hidden fear.
And so knowing that, you know where they’re coming from when there’s some kind of dynamic, like a challenging dynamic that’s happening and they’re showing up a certain way. It’s like, ⁓ like their shadow is in play right now. And you can see that energy pattern in the card. That’s their Pluto card, you know? And so we have this with each other. Like I have the Pluto card of the four of hearts. The four is a box. It’s about structure, foundation, organization, hearts, emotions.
On the low side, I can push my feelings into a box. I can be like, everything’s fine. And I have this like nice facade. Nope, I’m gonna just put those nicely in a box, right? And that would like in the beginning really not feel good for him at all. It would infuriate him. Absolutely infuriate him because he’d be like, Tommy, what you’re feeling? You know, I’m not feeling anything. I’m fine, you know, kind of thing. And now his Pluto card is the king of clubs, the king of knowledge.
And on the low side… Well apparently… Well I’ll let you say it. I mean…
I don’t see it. Apparently on the low side, the king of clubs comes out. Well, with a club. With a club. The king of clubs, you know. Verbally bopping people on the head and being condescending or arrogant. Like I know the truth. And in my shadow, because it’s in my shadow, like in the sense of Jungian, Freudian idea of you have an unconscious that you don’t fully appreciate or see. In our unconscious side.
there’s an archetypal pattern and the cards show this archetypal pattern. And for me, the king of clubs is I know better or I have the answer or I’ll tell you what you’re really thinking or what you’re really doing. Yeah, she doesn’t like that. So no, nobody likes unsolicited advice. But so that would be our dovetail dynamic. And we started calling it our shadow dance. And I think that that’s what does in every relationship.
I think that that’s a major component of why couples don’t work out. And that’s why you don’t see it except in an intimate dynamic because you only really reveal your shadow side to an intimate partner. You may not even show it outside in the world, but in an intimate dynamic your shadow side eventually comes out and you don’t see it. You don’t recognize it. To you it’s totally unconscious. You don’t even think that you’re doing it.
And so she wouldn’t even think that she was hiding her feelings and we would. Yeah. And so, I mean, just to further explain like how it would play out is like, so I would be shoving the feeling down and he’d be like, tell me your feeling. And I’m like, no, I don’t have a feeling about that. Tell me your feeling. And it would just like, keep, keep this loop of like me not, I, you know, I’d go deeper into the hole of not expressing myself and he’d go deeper into like, you know, the club, the clubbing. then finally it’s like, ⁓ like,
I need to self-reflect on like, am I really like burying or numb to feelings right now? Like, and it would take me a while. I’d be like, you know, I’d have to really, really search. Yeah, you know what? I am really, I’m actually angry about what happened and I wasn’t realizing it. And then I would come forth and say, you know, this is what I was really feeling. And then he would just like melt because I actually said,
I came forth and actually said what I was really feeling. then like, you know, then he can also reflect on the king of clubs, you know, in the shadow for himself. And then that makes for a better relationship because now we’re communicating from a place that’s not of authenticity. Yeah. Instead of being in denial about the shadow aspect.
CeeJay Barnaby (40:10)
Yeah.
Yeah, I love that because it sounds like it’s bringing up the hidden truths about ourselves.
I’m curious to ask this because it sounds like it could be mapped to astrology. Have you ever done that at all? You have.
Alexander And Viki (40:23)
Yeah, well it does.
It intersects with astrology. You have in your life path of cards, you have a Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, etc. You have planetary cards. It overlaps very neatly with astrology. And in order to calculate your personality card, we need to know your astrological sign. So let’s say you’re born into the sign of Taurus, Venus rules Taurus.
So then your Venus card in your life path becomes your personality. I’m born into the sign of Virgo, Mercury rules Virgo, Mercury card in my life path, which is the seven of clubs, that’s my persona. So we use astrology and it does map to astrology. Yeah, does that answer your question?
CeeJay Barnaby (41:07)
It
does. Yeah, it does. Just got a question around, has the system ever failed to help somebody at all? mean, did you have any experiences with that?
Alexander And Viki (41:17)
That’s a good question. As Vicky said already, people have to be willing. If you’re not willing, then it’s like the Charlie Brown, wah wah wah wah, wah wah wah, and this just kind of watches over someone. I’ve personally learned to never share anything for anyone about their cards unless they ask. In the beginning, I was so giddy and excited, I’d be like, what’s your birthday? Blah blah blah, and some people would be like,
Like, dude, what? You know, so I’ve learned. I can only share it with people who want to know and those people have not gone whatever. Those people have always found it helpful. Yeah, we’ve had such experience a couple times of like people gifting people a session who didn’t really want the session. And then we did the session and we were both like, we will never do that again because the person just did not want to.
CeeJay Barnaby (42:08)
Too,
too hard.
Alexander And Viki (42:09)
Yeah, they don’t want to hear it. then it’s like we’re giving them like coaching and healing and insights. it’s like giving them unsolicited advice because they didn’t want it for themselves. know? Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s very, I’ll just say it’s been a, I mean, it’s very flattering and I love it. People will buy a session from us and give it to someone as a birthday gift. And so it’s flattering and I’m honored.
CeeJay Barnaby (42:11)
Yeah.
⁓ I’ve seen how that works out before.
Alexander And Viki (42:35)
You
know, I’m honored like, wow, you want to buy a consultation and give it as a gift to someone or a Christmas present, but then that person doesn’t want to hear it. And so then it’s, doesn’t go well. Buy them the Start with that.
CeeJay Barnaby (42:47)
Yeah,
I used to book readings for a psychic and nearly every one of the ones which were bought for somebody else, they didn’t go so well. And I found that really fascinating, but this actually reinforces that understanding that people when they’re not ready, can’t hear anything. How do you work with clients who carry trauma that resists symbolic frameworks?
Alexander And Viki (42:56)
Yeah.
Yep. Yeah. Yeah.
Oh. That resists it, So you don’t actually have to say anything about cards to anybody. You can just look up a client’s cards.
CeeJay Barnaby (43:19)
Okay.
Alexander And Viki (43:25)
ask them for their birthday. mean, I’ve asked my clients for their birthday way before I even learned this system. actually, when I went back, it was really clarifying because so many of the things we had talked about for years were in the cards to play. And then just ⁓ speak from a place of patterns. you have, know, like, you know, it’s… for example, without saying the cards, but knowing the cards, do you have a tendency to bury your feelings? Right?
CeeJay Barnaby (43:51)
⁓ Right,
Alexander And Viki (43:52)
For someone
CeeJay Barnaby (43:52)
yeah.
Alexander And Viki (43:53)
born to play the Five of Diamonds. Or for someone like my cards, do you have a tendency to speak down to people from a condescending place? And you can ask the questions. And we’ve had many psychotherapists tell us that they use this tool in that way. It guides them to which are the right questions to ask.
CeeJay Barnaby (44:10)
Now for listeners that are interested, you did say read our book. That’s probably a good place to start. So now the ones that want to study deeper, is there any math or symbolic or seasonal readings that they should learn first to become competent at their own readings?
Alexander And Viki (44:15)
You
Well, I don’t know that you need to become competent to do your own readings before you can get benefit from looking up your cards. I mean, certainly we have certification training programs if people do want to become competent to do their own readings. But I don’t think you need that first. I think the best thing to do is just dive in and explore, which we’ve hopefully made easy to do on our website.
Right on the homepage of the sourcecards.com you put in your date of birth and you can start exploring.
CeeJay Barnaby (44:53)
Yeah, great, great.
Alexander And Viki (44:54)
Yeah,
and then if you want to learn more than just the first two cards, I would recommend getting the book Player Cards Right, A Sacred Guide to Life on Earth that gives the entire life path of cards. And then you can really start exploring some of these other cards, like the more challenging energy patterns. And ⁓ yeah, start there.
CeeJay Barnaby (45:10)
Well, look, you’ve opened my
eyes to cards in a different way that I’m going to get that book. So very cool. I really appreciated this conversation. So where can we point people so they can find you?
Alexander And Viki (45:22)
TheSourceCards.com is where you can start exploring. We are also on Instagram, TikTok, YouTube, and it’s at @TheSourceCards.
CeeJay Barnaby (45:31)
All right. Thank you very much for coming on the show and explaining your understanding of the source cards and how they work for people. I’ve appreciated your time. It’s such a different way of thinking about it and it makes a lot of sense to me.
Alexander And Viki (45:41)
It’s been a real pleasure. You asked challenging, interesting questions. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah. That would be your ace of clubs energy. You have those pointed questions that get in there.
CeeJay Barnaby (45:46)
Yeah, lot of people say that and I love that.
I appreciate that and I’ll be looking more into that myself for sure. All right. Thank you very much.
Alexander And Viki (45:54)
Yeah. Terrific.
Yeah, thank you. ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (46:04)
Who ever thought that playing cards could have so much depth? All power to Vicki and Alexander for the work they’re doing because this is totally unusual and very, very interesting. I’m gonna get their book and learn more about how to cast my own life path reading and also to look at my year. It’s best to have like a roadmap, isn’t it? And this is a way to do it. Thank you very much for listening to this episode. And if you’ve enjoyed it, reach out to.
Viki and Alexander yourself and say thank you. I’d appreciate that and I’m sure they would as well. if you’ve liked today’s show, please like it.
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