Welcome to Supernormalized, in this episdoe CeeJay Barnaby sits down with Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan to discuss her incredible journey and the fascinating world of blindfold vision and other superhuman abilities. Dr. Chan shares her unique perspective on consciousness, meditation, and how embracing a childlike sense of joy can profoundly impact our personal growth and spiritual awakening. This conversation will challenge your understanding of human potential and offer insights into cultivating your own intuitive gifts and inner knowing.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan’s path began at a young age, witnessing a Qigong healer’s remarkable abilities . This early experience planted a seed that would later blossom into a deep exploration of consciousness. After a successful software career, she realized a deeper calling, seeking true contentment beyond material success . A pivotal 11-day darkroom retreat in Thailand in 2013 significantly accelerated her intuitive gifts, allowing her to perceive and know things about her patients with remarkable clarity . This heightened awareness, while powerful, also presented challenges, leading her to seek a more balanced way of living .
The core of Dr. Chan’s work centers on blindfold vision, a practice she teaches to both children and adults. Beyond just seeing without physical sight, her workshops also play with telekinesis and spoon bending, making the learning process a ton of fun . A key insight she shares is that seriousness can actually hinder these abilities; instead, a playful, childlike state of joy is the secret to opening up perception . The training methodology has matured, allowing participants to awaken these abilities very quickly, often within three days of consistent training in small, personalized groups .
Dr. Chan emphasizes that this work is for open-minded truth seekers and consciousness explorers, those ready to let go of old limitations and shine fully . The benefits extend beyond specific abilities, helping children strengthen their “inner knowing sense” and develop an intact inner compass for life . To ensure the work remains grounded and ethical, Dr. Chan collaborates with the CUSAC Group, a nonprofit founded by Dr. Tom Campbell, known for his “Theory of Everything” . This collaboration involves scientific studies, including working with blind adults who have no physical eyeballs, to provide documented proof that these perceptions are not due to peeking or physical sight . The scientific documentation is ongoing, and Dr. Chan encourages patience as this new field of human endeavor develops . Ultimately, her work suggests that when consciousness becomes a central variable, our understanding of holistic health and human potential expands dramatically, moving beyond symptom suppression to embracing growth and evolution.
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Chapters
0:00 Welcome to Supernormalized
1:14 Leaving a successful software career
2:09 Finding contentment beyond material success
9:53 Meditation as an escape from density
12:49 Fun is the secret to blindfold vision
13:39 Joy normalizes superhuman possibilities
15:23 Flow state and aligning with love
20:01 Consciousness as primary in holistic medicine
35:01 Darkroom retreat accelerates intuitive gifts
40:03 Refining blindfold vision methodologies
49:00 Scientific study of mindsight
53:14 Online kids programs, in-person adult trainings
57:57 Finding Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan’s work
Transcript
CeeJay Barnaby (00:00)
welcome to super normalized Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan. Dr. Edith, I’m very interested in knowing about your process to do with blindfold vision. It’s an interesting idea. And obviously it works because I know for myself that sometimes when I’m in an intuitive sort of state, I can actually even see in the dark. So welcome to the show.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (00:21)
I’m so
excited to share this conversation with you and your amazing audience that you’ve created.
CeeJay Barnaby (00:26)
Yeah!
Yeah, thank you. look, I’m really curious, because you actually did this through meditation. Now, what drew you first of all to meditation? mean, was it something that you just were drawn to? Or how did that happen?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (00:46)
Well, where to begin these stories, you know, with the kinds of audience that you have, I think people can handle a lot of different far out conversations. Yeah, so my journey actually began when I was four, when I witnessed this Qigong healer heal my dad’s back pain and my sister’s ankle sprain in one quick session when they had been doctor after doctor after doctor and nobody could help.
CeeJay Barnaby (00:57)
Yeah, go far out all… Yeah, we love it.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (01:14)
So that was always in the back of my mind. But as an adult, I studied math in university. I had a software career in the beginning. And then I walked into this meeting, my software career, where I had just won employee of the year award. Things were going really well. I was being, you know, like groomed, fast-tracked into management, so to speak. And suddenly this like flash forward, flash back happened.
where I saw all of these super successful people in this software company and it dawned on me that I didn’t want to be like any of them when I grew up. So I had, well, they were very kind, great people. just, none of them felt very peaceful, content, fulfilled, happy, satisfied with life. And they were all kind of like had health oddities and inflamed and stressed out and tense.
CeeJay Barnaby (01:53)
What was it about that you didn’t like?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (02:09)
just they didn’t look very content despite having all these material successes. So that was a certain moment in which it flashed back to age four when I saw the Chigo Healer and I said, when I grow up, I’m going to do that.
So that’s how I, that’s kind of the backstory of how I got into holistic Chinese medicine, qigong, meditation, traveling around the world and you know, exploring all these things. But as soon as I had that realization and I cold turkey quit my software job and went to Chinese medicine school, that’s really when the journey began because I started studying qigong very diligently and meditating consistently.
CeeJay Barnaby (02:33)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (02:55)
And
there was this certain one experience that was the beginning of a series of mystical experiences. I was in Chinese medicine school, enjoying myself, know, learning acupuncture, energy, all kinds of beautiful things. But in Qigong class, that’s when you really start to have the direct experience of these things. It’s not just theory, right? It’s not textbook. It’s not memorizing regurgitation and taking examinations. It’s
actually having the direct experience. Are you a qigong practitioner CJ?
CeeJay Barnaby (03:29)
No, but I’m really curious because I’ve actually done like qigong with people in groups, but I didn’t know the depth of it until like, I mean, there’s so much more obviously that I have no idea about with this. So tell me.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (03:41)
Well,
yeah, well, I suppose Qigong. Qigong is really just any kind of practice where you practice breath work, you’re attuning to the energy flow, you’re focused and conscious of your attention and intention, right? And you have your body either seated, holding certain mudras or moving your body in a certain way. So if you have these different elements together, conscious attention and intention,
CeeJay Barnaby (03:57)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (04:10)
conscious breathing and conscious awareness of how you’re flowing the energies in your physical system and also beyond. ⁓ That’s called Qigong. So life is Qigong really, right? Like being conscious and aware of your attention, intention and the movement of energy is Qigong. So anytime you are aware like this, it’s always a win. You always have a more beautiful experience of life.
I call this returning to our natural state, not like stuck in mental limitation patterns, overthinking and all these programs that we run because of our upbringing. We drop back into our natural state. So there was this one specific practice during Chinese medicine school that because I was so enjoying my Qigong practice,
CeeJay Barnaby (04:51)
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (05:05)
I kept practicing outside of school beyond what was required in Chinese medicine school curriculum. I just kept practicing. There was this certain moment that the teacher was guiding this meditation and I was going deeper and deeper and deeper.
And I felt so peaceful. I felt so in harmony. Then all of a sudden, it went so deep that the whole thing exploded. It just all burst into trillions of pieces of love and light.
And there was no time, no space, no consciousness of some girl named Edith in San Francisco doing a medication class. It was just a return home to our natural state of pure love.
CeeJay Barnaby (05:59)
You transcended yourself.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (06:01)
we have these words to describe these things, but it’s actually a completely ineffable experience, you know. And it took many years for me to even begin to talk about it because it was so ineffable. And every time I tried to use words to describe it, it fell short of what actually happened. So what was interesting was before that meditation,
CeeJay Barnaby (06:09)
Yes. ⁓
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (06:28)
The teacher has said, you know, in a meditative state is helpful to bring some inquiries, some questions into meditation because clarity can come through. So I had brought some questions into this meditation. What was so incredible was in this state as
this ineffable state that I’ll call infinite pieces of love and light.
I experienced that every question was instantaneously answered, but it was answered in this multi-dimensional, multi-faceted, holistic, 360-degree, spherical way. Like, all perspectives on that question was like, ⁓ available. So, I used to say that it was a state of pure love, pure light, and so much bliss, but it’s utter and complete contentment.
because there was no more laughs.
and had never read any books about such a state. I had no reference point that such a state was possible, except somehow I knew that I had returned to our natural state. went back to our true reality. I just knew that.
So who knows how long because it was beyond time and space. There’s no reference point for time or space or physicality. But at a certain point, there was this awareness that there is this voice guiding some meditation somewhere. It felt really far away. But then it was like, what’s going on? Wait, yeah, there is a girl named Edith sitting in a Qigong class in San Francisco somewhere.
CeeJay Barnaby (07:58)
Unfamiliar, unfamiliar probably.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (08:09)
somewhere, some little dot somewhere in the cosmos that that is, ⁓ yeah, wait, maybe this it should return to that it. That’s how it felt. And so came this utterly absurd process of trying to squeeze infinite love and light back into this density of a pretense.
of a girl sitting in a classroom, a grad student sitting in a classroom somewhere trying to meditate. Right? So this absurd experience of squeezing all this love and light back into the density of the physical form, it was almost painful. And when it finally landed, there was so much that it turned into uncontrollable avalanches of tears.
And the tears took some time to be understood as this kind of like clashing of the most immense love, gratitude and appreciation that I got to go home and return and remember who we really are, our natural state and intense anger.
and grief and sadness and all these emotions, recognizing that how this place has been structured and created and all the stories that we tell ourselves about this physical reality is actually all backwards and upside down. I just like instantaneously had this, all of this come to me, right? So, ⁓ so I became a seeker after that. Hi honey, we’re doing an interview. This is CJ, wanna say hi?
CeeJay Barnaby (09:36)
Totally.
Hey.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (09:53)
So I became a seeker and for a very long time, meditation was kind of an escape from the intense density of this world. And I think probably your audience, many people can relate because we’re the types of people that see through the backwards and upside down nature of how many things work, you know? And so I would meditate just to escape the denseness of this place.
CeeJay Barnaby (10:16)
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (10:23)
certain point I started realizing, ⁓ wait a minute, after traveling around the world studying with different teachers and going on deep, prolonged retreats and having a series of additional mystical experiences, I realized that we as souls actually chose to come here to experience this apparent illusion of limitation and density and separation for us to evolve.
and grow and learn and know ourselves deeper. So I started just welcoming all the challenges and ups and downs of this physical realm more and more and more. Until now, I feel like we’re at a beautiful time where it’s all integrating together so beautifully that we can have these kinds of conversations openly on the internet and find.
like-hearted, like-spirited friends all across the world that are also going through this journey of discovery and exploration together. So yeah, that’s kind of the backstory of how I became, ⁓ you know, the weirdo in a good way, I hope, with these crowds. I hope that we’re all amongst the weirdos around here and yeah, that’s it started. Yes.
CeeJay Barnaby (11:30)
Hahaha!
Absolutely. We embrace the weirdos here.
That’s, that’s such an incredible and amazing story. And I can say that I’ve related to it because of my own experiences, but I was only just listening to another podcast only yesterday with chase Hughes on it. The guy that talks about behavioral ⁓ work. And he was talking about how he had some very far out experiences using ⁓ DMT, but
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (11:55)
Yes.
CeeJay Barnaby (12:02)
when he was coming back to his body, that he came back into his body and he just realized that the feeling of the world was like almost like clay by comparison. ⁓ And it seems like a low res sort of ⁓ almost comical sort of version of it. Because the other space when we’re in that super expanded space, that is the most real of real. So the difference is so profound ⁓ and interesting to note.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (12:12)
Yes.
CeeJay Barnaby (12:32)
And yeah, once you realize that, you know, you’ve actually been to those spaces and I think that everyone has access to those spaces like you had through meditation or other processes. You can expand yourself out and then come back and then treat this life like, well, it’s theater and it’s fun. Just enjoy it. ⁓
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (12:49)
Yes, yes, yes, yes,
yes. Yeah, and you know, I know that we’re gonna talk about the blindfold vision work and ⁓ the secret to success, by the way, with the blindfold vision ability is the fun. In fact, when people start taking themselves too darn seriously, their perception will shut down.
And that’s when we will tickle them, tell some really bad dad jokes or do whatever to get people to be goofy and childlike again and boom, their perception opens back up. The same with like spoon bending. You know, I’ve played with spoon bending with groups before and people are trying so hard thinking so much about it. And then we tell some dad jokes and boom, everybody’s spoons just like melts, right? So, so yeah, I think the world is so, it’s such a paradox. The world is getting so serious out there.
CeeJay Barnaby (13:30)
Ha
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (13:39)
And it turns out the solution is to bring some joy and fun back into our lives and allow these superhuman possibilities to actually normalize, as the name of your show, through joy and fun and childlike curiosity.
CeeJay Barnaby (13:45)
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah.
Absolutely, yes. How did these experiences reshape your sense of purpose and your relationship with service and leadership?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (14:05)
Wow, what a powerful question.
Well, I would say that the previous version of me would have thought about purpose and leadership as like, as much more like I need to produce a certain result in the outer world.
And then as I have more and more of these experiences, I start to, and maybe some of it is just a maturity of having more years under one’s belt, I start to realize that everybody has to go through their own journey ⁓ and that we’re all here to just learn and grow and evolve our own self. And then as a natural byproduct, we’re going to show up in greater service.
naturally through our example, not because we’re trying so hard to change other people or change the systems or change the world, but just through showing up as our most natural, authentic self. Love naturally flows in the directions that where service is appropriate and wanted and needed. So, ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (15:05)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (15:23)
as the journey unfolds, kind of move out of like, the systems are so backwards and upside down and I’m an angsty teenager that has to rebel and fight against the system, into a second stage of that is like, ⁓ I’m learning and growing and strengthening myself and life is working for me and with me instead of against me, into…
Gradually more and more the state of like life just naturally flows through us and naturally evolves into the highest most beneficial win-win-win naturally just by attuning and aligning ourselves with the energies of love and wisdom So it becomes more of a moment-to-moment state of being and state of flow instead of like I have this one purpose and it has to rigidly look like this that kind of dissolves over time
CeeJay Barnaby (16:18)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that’s, I think that’s definitely, ⁓ the process I’ve experienced myself too. mean, ⁓ I’ll talk about when I was younger because it sort of relates to that. I had this, ⁓ experience where I had a, ⁓ I did the meditation thing really, really deeply and I was totally.
in a deep space. then one time I was on the way coming out of that meditation space, which was infinite and expanded in the void. And ⁓ this voice popped in and said, I hope your eyes, don’t have to do that anymore. I said, said, yeah, can just keep on being in this meditative space, but also being awake at the same time. I like, okay. And then I started to query it and
It gave me some more information about itself and I was tested to make sure it wasn’t any nefarious spirits or anything like that because I know that they can stick around and ⁓ Eventually, I got to a point with it where it I wanted it showed me these like ways of being in the world that That I could use to help people and ⁓ make things change in positive ways and I was really eager for
people to change around me. I said, I want everyone to have this ability to be connected to infinite light and love continuously. And it said, you don’t have to do anything. You can’t make people change. They change themselves. All you do is you change and then the people around you will change. And it really stuck with me. was like, okay. And then over a period of time, I noticed the people that were around me were changing rather rapidly because I had changed. And I thought, that’s really interesting.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (18:04)
Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (18:04)
And it involved
no effort whatsoever. It was just like you said, being like your authentic self within that.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (18:12)
Yeah, yeah, this is such a powerful time we’re in because we…
Also, like the beauty of right now, there’s so much information. Everybody has information overload. So our practice is to cultivate the embodied state, our embodiment, our energy, our nervous system does it radiate a frequency pattern of coherence and love and kindness and wisdom as a byproduct of it, the physical reality, like cymatics, like it just shifts naturally, you know, that’s really the practice.
CeeJay Barnaby (18:47)
Yes.
Yeah, for sure. What inequalities feel essential for humans to cultivate during this period of collective change?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (18:58)
Wow, these are some very powerful questions. I appreciate it. What inner qualities?
I would say authenticity.
Yeah, shedding the various layers and mass and limitation, programming and conditionings. And what’s left is the raw, authentic goodness and beauty and purity that is our innate nature. To give ourselves permission to let that shine fully. And it takes a lot of courage because we all have layers and layers of conditioning to shed and let go of in order to feel safe.
CeeJay Barnaby (19:29)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (19:38)
go that deep into our authentic expression. So it’s an advanced level of inner mastery work that is required to be our two as deepest, most authentic essence while in physical form.
CeeJay Barnaby (19:41)
Mm.
How does holistic medicine change when consciousness becomes a central variable rather than a side note?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (20:01)
Eww.
This reminds me of a dear friend of mine named Mark Gober. Have you heard of Mark Gober? Yeah, he’s written a series of books. The first one is called An End to Upside Down Thinking, which kind of lays the foundation of this, ⁓ just how false this fundamental notion of a pure physical material is reality and how limiting it is for us to explore nature from this.
CeeJay Barnaby (20:08)
Yeah, I have.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (20:31)
this limited lens of physical materialism versus understanding that consciousness is really primary and the physical reality is like a byproduct of this underlying consciousness reality that is at the root of all things. So he wrote a series of follow-up books to it and one of it is called An End to Upside Down Medicine.
which I so appreciated, explored a lot of different nuanced things, but there’s that one line in the book that says, perhaps the biggest issue, I’m paraphrasing, I don’t have it quoted and memorized, but I really resonate with this, is that we argue about, allopathic medicine versus holistic Chinese medicine, Ayurveda, homeopathy, witch modalities, is more efficacious for whatever, but the deeper question is that if,
allopathic conventional medicine doesn’t actually understand what a human being is. How can we create human health and well-being? All right, I’ve been immersed in holistic medicine for 24 years. And in the last five to 10 years since becoming a parent and being immersed in the parenting and education spaces, I’ve launched some projects having to do with
kids, education, parenting, holistic paradigms of education and parenting. And people often say, oh, do you guys homeschool your children? What curriculum do you follow? And so on.
in the space of education and parenting also, just like in the space of health, medicine, and wellness, before we jump into what modalities or what curriculum or what systems or what tools, tactics, strategies are best, the deeper question that is by far more interesting is what is a human being? What are we doing here? Right?
CeeJay Barnaby (22:30)
Exactly.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (22:33)
So, depending on our deeper understanding of what a human being is and what are we doing here, we’re going to have a very different set of conversations about what is the ideal parenting paradigm, education paradigm, health and wellness paradigm, and all the systems of the world. We can have a different set of conversations based on a fundamentally deeper, richer understanding of what a human being is and what are we doing here, you know?
CeeJay Barnaby (23:03)
Yeah, that’s a very logical place to start and it makes a lot more sense than the current assumption of what we are, which seems to be like a working eating machine that keeps society functional. That’s crazy. And I’m glad that we’re waking up to that.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (23:20)
Yeah,
with the question of health and wellness, it also begs the question, depending on your understanding of what a human being is, what are we doing here, then your success metrics for health and medical outcomes is going to align differently. The very obvious one is that we might have a wiser understanding of how…
Symptoms aren’t a bad thing to be suppressed and a deeper understanding of the wisdom of life and the wisdom of our body’s intelligence and how to turn every experience, including health challenges, into an opportunity of growth, evolution, and learning. And how does a good quote unquote doctor support and accompany a patient through that journey?
not just suppress a bunch of symptoms, but actually hold space and hold them with the vision of the courage and depth and richness of the possibility of their healing. Not just being a physical healing, but body, mind, emotion, soul can get up leveled and returned to wholeness in the process. know, so yeah, there’s a lot. That’s a whole separate podcast conversation just alone, I believe.
CeeJay Barnaby (24:44)
Yeah, I mean, if you step back and look at life as a theatre and everything, whatever challenges that come towards us in certain ways, if you’re still treating it as a play, then you can actually treat it more lightheartedly and in doing so, change the outcome quite dramatically. yeah, yeah. What daily practices do you think helps someone maintain clarity while living in a full modern life?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (25:02)
Yes. Yes.
Well, earlier we were talking about meditation.
many people I find that ⁓ the common definition of meditation is that it’s a set of practices for us to de-stress ourselves or a set of practices for us ⁓ to get out of overthinking or to come back to greater peace or presence and so on. And I don’t totally disagree.
CeeJay Barnaby (25:27)
Yes.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (25:43)
But as we evolve, we start to discover that meditation is just who and what we authentically are. It’s just our natural state. It’s who we actually are. Meditation is who we are. So there will come a time where we don’t need to do meditative practices anymore because we’re so consistently stabilized.
CeeJay Barnaby (26:08)
you
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (26:13)
in being in a meditative state 24 7 365. So these meditative tools and tactics and strategies, these practices, they are useful to get us out of monkey mind overthinking, stressed out mode where we’re all contorted and distorted and come back to our authentic natural selves. But I’m also seeing very quickly we’re evolving so fast, you know, at an exponential rate that
We won’t need to meditate anymore because everybody will be their authentic meditative selves 24 7 365.
CeeJay Barnaby (26:53)
Right, so we’re moving into a different sort of paradigm where energetically we are all raised together.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (26:58)
Yes, and in the transitional period, I think we’ll start to see these different types of practices as just kind of like energy hygiene practice more than anything. It’s like in our current civilization, remember in Ilyes-a-Bithin time, they didn’t really bathe that much and you know like sanitation and sewage and all of that wasn’t like where it is now. I think ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (27:20)
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (27:23)
We’re accelerating so fast that within our lifetime we’ll start to see people that don’t have good energy hygiene, that are all stressed out of their minds and overworking, overthinking, contorted and distorted. It will be a little bit like just not having good hygiene. That there will come a time where every morning we wake up and we do some really simple like clearing of our energies because it’s just…
like civilized to interact with one another with beautiful energy and pure presence. That’s just considered polite human interaction, you know, so I think we’re gonna evolve into that state.
CeeJay Barnaby (28:07)
Yeah, I think we’re on the way there. Although it does seem that there’s going to be a bit of a birth canal ride on the way there too. It seems like some people are believing in this war thing now, so we’ve got to listen to that. And so we’ve got to watch out for that too. But I’m sure that we’re actually on the way. I do feel like I know that, cause like you said earlier that we can have these conversations now. That’s a big indicator. Whereas, you know, I was living these conversations and having these conversations.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (28:14)
Yes.
CeeJay Barnaby (28:37)
20. And most people would just say, no, he’s crazy. And now I’m like, no, no, this is normal. You you can, can jump in a cab and a cab driver might talk to me about mindfulness. I’m like, wow, this is cool.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (28:50)
It is very
cool. I just really want to honor you CJ and all the listeners that have been holding it down that pioneering energy. Like there’s a bunch of us that volunteered to pioneer a new consciousness on earth and we get to see the fruits of that now. It’s really accelerating rapidly. And by the way, with our adult blindfold training, I collaborate with Dahlia and Dahlia’s daughter, Lidu, who’s a telepathic teenage savant.
CeeJay Barnaby (29:03)
Mm.
Yeah, definitely.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (29:19)
And we just came back from two back-to-back adult blindfold vision training workshops, and Lidu was there channeling. Is it channeling? She answers beautiful questions. She answers questions with so much beauty and wisdom, you know, because she’s so deeply connected with the divine wisdom. And we were asking her about the wars, and she said something. I’m paraphrasing. She said, you know.
CeeJay Barnaby (29:19)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (29:49)
They’re stoking another attempt at distraction and division because there’s too big of a wave of a maskelle awakening into our true divine nature right now. We’re getting so powerful. know, so consider it, I guess, a metric of our success.
CeeJay Barnaby (29:56)
Yes.
Yes, that’s a good
way to put it.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (30:16)
Yeah, that these symptoms are getting stirred up to the surface. means that we are really awakening to our divine nature very powerfully and very rapidly right now.
CeeJay Barnaby (30:27)
truth.
How do you train energy awareness without pushing the nervous system towards strain or burnout?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (30:34)
such another great question. ⁓ I’ll use our blindfold vision training as an example, because I came from ⁓ many decades of Qigong practice and Tai Chi martial arts, that world, there’s a certain way to train. And then now I’m with the blindfold vision training program. So, ⁓
I have trained somewhere between 250 to 300 children and families with our kids program. And then last year we started training adults and we train adults in groups in-person workshops of about 15 to 20 at a time in collaboration with Dalia.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:17)
Yeah, we should probably tell people what blind-fold vision is in case they’ve never heard of it. Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (31:22)
okay. So blindfold
vision is also known as mind sight is also known as extraocular vision. It has a bunch of different terms to it. I like to use the term blindfold vision because it’s easy for the children to say. ⁓ And it speaks to the fact that you can wear a blindfold and actually see through the blindfold, you know, so so it’s kind of self-explanatory. So it’s this ability that all human beings have through some
games and meditations and simple practices to awaken this light sensing or visual sensing abilities while your physical eyes are actually covered up. But actually with our adult training, we don’t focus exclusively on the visual part. With the blindfold on, we are practicing sensing, feeling, hovering, smelling, tasting, hearing.
and knowing all these other intuitive senses without the assistance of our physical eyes. And then we build up to the ability to actually see blindfolded using our mind sight or blindfold vision. And so the reason I bring this up in answer to your questions, E.J., is that although there are all these like lineages of more austere meditative practices, I
discovering that the consciousness across the board, across all of mankind, is accelerating where these gifts and abilities are activating so naturally that just by playing fun games, we can have this joyful game-like form of meditative play that awakens these expansive abilities. And so, ⁓ so what kinds of practices? I think just…
the playful childlike nature, whatever we can do to reawaken that state as a natural byproduct, a lot of these expansive gifts and abilities, they just come online very naturally.
CeeJay Barnaby (33:29)
When I’ve been in alternate states of reality with my spirit team, they are always at play in ultimate joy continuously like life is a circus for them. So I completely understand how that focusing on the fun side, the fun aspect allows you to reconnect to that sort of energy, that sort of source connection. And obviously it’s going to make it so you can.
do anything really if you’re really open to it, to that sort of depth. Now, what first convinced you that blindfold perception deserves serious attention?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (34:11)
Well, I first heard about it in 2011. I was at a workshop with a meditation teacher called Drenvalu Melchizedek that some of your audience might know about. Yeah, and he had… Yes, so yeah, I’m also OG in that way. ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (34:22)
I know, I know I’ve drawn Volo. Yeah, he was really big back then.
I
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (34:33)
So he had mentioned about the folks that are doing what’s called extraocular vision in Mexico. And back then, was almost like assumed that only children can do it, that adults are just too far gone. But if you catch the kids early enough, can save them from being too programmed by society while they’re still, you know, like super neuroplastic and growing in their abilities to nurture it, and then they can keep it into adulthood. But it wasn’t even thought like
CeeJay Barnaby (34:45)
Yeah, right.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (35:01)
really possible for adults to do this work. So I kind of put it on the back burner and I thought, well, maybe someday if I ever had kids, I don’t know if I’ll ever have kids. Fast forward in 2013, I came back from an extended darkroom retreat in Thailand with a teacher named Jasmuhin. It was an 11 day retreat with nine days and nine nights in complete darkness.
And I had a huge exponential acceleration of my intuitive gifts after that. So much so that I came back to San Francisco. I now ⁓ have a very stable and successful Chinese medicine practice. I go to work and I was able to perceive, sense, feel, and know things about my patient and just zero right in. So my clinical efficacy skyrocketed after that. ⁓ But at night, I didn’t know how to turn it off.
So living in the city, was so cacophonous that it was crazy making. I could sense, feel, know, and hear my neighbor’s stressful thoughts at night and I couldn’t sleep. It was so cacophonous. It was kind of unbearable. So I moved to the countryside with my then partner. We actually… ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (36:06)
Hahaha.
yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (36:22)
almost broke up at that point because I said, you like the city, I cannot tolerate it, I’m gonna move to the countryside. But he just chose to move up there with me. And as soon as we moved up there, this little boy started coming to my dreams and meditations day after day after day, month after month, saying that there’s a new generation of young people. These babies are incarnating on earth right now. And they’re going to show the world a whole new.
realm of possibilities of what it is to be human. They’re going to hold this beautiful energy and blanket the earth with a new consciousness. And they’re very consciously choosing moms and dads all across the world that are precisely chosen that can hold and nurture this level of a human.
CeeJay Barnaby (36:55)
awesome.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (37:16)
I was so flattered. He said, I scoured everywhere and I want you to be my mom. You’re it. And so we went, you know, there was a lot of back and forth. There’s a whole story around it. Basically after many months of these visitations, he ended up jumping into his dad’s dream and he had been like, la la la, I’m not ready to have children. But then he was like, oh, this baby’s pretty cute.
CeeJay Barnaby (37:21)
Aww.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (37:42)
So we attuned to his energy and there was a certain moment in which we both knew that he was to be consciously conceived. And it was this indescribable experience of feeling his strong presence. And the moment he was conceived, the womb just went, I could feel that there was breath and life. didn’t have to take a pregnancy test and had this connection.
CeeJay Barnaby (38:03)
Wild.
You’re just new.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (38:10)
all throughout
CeeJay Barnaby (38:10)
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (38:11)
the pregnancy. was already in telepathic conversation with this little boy all preconception and all throughout pregnancy and all into after he was born and and fast forward in 2020 this little boy and I he’s now five and he looked exactly the way that I had been shown he would look in the dreams.
we watched this movie that you might’ve heard of called Superhuman by Carolyn Corey. In the movie, they featured a lot of wonderful gifts and abilities of ⁓ telekinesis, ⁓ remote viewing, remote influencing, and then there’s a big chunk of the movie that featured this mind sight ability, this ability to see blindfolded. But this was 2020 and so,
My boy said, mama, I want to learn how to do it. think I could do it. Carolyn Corey found a teacher named Bodan who was trained in a method called Infovision and he’s based in Canada, but the Infovision was developed in Eastern Europe. Anyway, Bodan was a pioneer kind of guy. said, nobody’s done it before. We don’t know if it’s possible, but the world is shut down. Let’s get a few families together and see if we can do it over Zoom remotely somehow.
CeeJay Barnaby (39:34)
Wow.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (39:36)
Right, so
usually these classes with kids are done as follows. The parents get out of the way because you might mess it up, drop the child off at the teacher’s house for 10 or 12 one hour classes, and then by the end, the child will start to have these intuitive seeing abilities. So 10 or 12 sessions, but the parents get out of the way because you might mess it up because the energy of coherence and the encouragement and the positive
CeeJay Barnaby (39:55)
Mm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (40:03)
vibes is so important and so precise with this work. So Boudin just said, let’s just try it. It could be a fail. It could be success. Who knows? So there were a few of us families that experimented with this and boom, our children all got activated. And so after that, Boudin and I kept in touch. We became good friends. And two and a half years ago, we started really sitting with
the process and researching the different methodologies and him and some of his other colleagues have all kind of started developing different additional methodologies and simplifying, refining, adding, massaging the methodology. And then the way that my mind tends to work is I’m really good at pattern recognition. I have a background, my undergrad is in applied math and engineering and because of my own intuitive abilities, I can just see.
patterns very well. And so at this point, I had been immersed in the holistic education and holistic parenting conversation and launching some trainings and summits and been invited to other trainings and summits with other conscious moms, dads, families all across the world. So now I have thousands of people in my ⁓ newsletter following my work that are really interested in the holistic, more
conscious, attuned, and awakened approach to raising and educating their children. So, Budette and I put our hearts and minds together and completely reworked the whole methodology with not just like maybe we can let the parents in, but no, we’re going to teach the parents how to co-facilitate their children’s intuitive superpowers together with us side by side. So we turned it into a six week program, not 10 or 12 weeks, six weeks.
or the first week and the six weeks is just coaching the moms and dads and teaching them all about the most efficient and smooth flowing methodology. And I’m currently writing a book about it so that we can, cause in the past there was a little bit of like throwing darts at this topic, but there’s a really clean and mature methodology that we’ve developed now over these years.
And then so the first week and the six weeks, we focus on the moms and dads, teach them how to co-facilitate with us. And then the core four weeks, we work side by side with moms and dads together with the children. And in between each of the four classes, we give very specific fun and games for moms and dads to play with the children so that it turns into not just moms and dads like helping a little bit.
but they’re an integral part of the experience. And the whole family goes through this magical expansion together. And it’s like this bonding that is so much joy and delight, like every single week feels like the very first time your child rolled over or walked across the room.
or sent mama or dada, like that kind of magic just unfolds session after session after session, except your child is seeing blindfolded. They’re seeing behind their head. They’re seeing into the other room. They can see under the table and all these magical abilities start coming online. And moms and dads are like right there at the front lines of every single breakthrough. So I’m really proud and very happy that we rework the methodology to bring in the whole family and turn this into such a
CeeJay Barnaby (43:25)
Wow.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (43:33)
beautiful bonding experience for the whole family.
CeeJay Barnaby (43:36)
Yeah, and I can hear your passion in that. You’re so excited. So that’s a beautiful thing. What inner shifts tend to happen for children and adults once perception expands beyond the five senses?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (43:48)
Yeah, I think we’re just beginning to discover it. ⁓ Imagine if you didn’t have a sense of smell and suddenly you do. How much richer, more interesting and beautiful is your life? Imagine if you only saw black and white and suddenly you started seeing color. It’s something like that. What would you do with that? So now what we’re discovering is that not only are we having ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (44:02)
Yeah, exactly.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (44:17)
intuitive seeing abilities come on, but the intuitive smell, intuitive hearing and taste and intuitive knowing, all these intuitive gifts are coming online. It’s like dormant circuitry waking up. I call it ⁓ de-zombifying ourselves. It’s like these dormant abilities, they got atrophied. We became like zombie. And so there’s an exponential increase in aliveness that we’re seeing.
in our students as we awaken this dormant abilities. And so as a byproduct of it, there have been so many, but just to list a few, ⁓ we’re starting to see that this is like a game-like form of flow state trading. So our children that couldn’t sit still, they have ADHD diagnosis, now they have really good focus.
The children that supposedly have diagnosis of dyslexia, many of them find that as soon as they put on the blindfold, they can read fluently with no dyslexia. What is up with that? A lot of the children after this blindfold vision training, their intuition skyrockets and then they have really vivid dream lives and then they will tell their moms and dads like, mama, you know, when I was in your belly, this, that, and the other thing happened.
And I didn’t like it. felt so stressful being in your belly when that happened. And then the whole family gets to have a whole healing conversation to consciously let go of that and make amends for this subconscious energy that the child is still holding from in utero. My child from age six, seven, eight, nine would just every single night tell me his memories about his preconception. Like, mama, when I was in space,
CeeJay Barnaby (45:50)
Yeah
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (46:10)
It was like this, and this is how I chose you as my mama and how all of that works. He shared so many powerful things about what it was like when I was a space baby before I came to earth. So these magical, beautiful byproducts of the expanded awareness coming back online, being honored, nurtured, and celebrated by the family and by the community, there’s like
CeeJay Barnaby (46:23)
I love that.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (46:39)
really no aspect of life that it doesn’t touch. And the children start to tell us that they feel so much more confident because they’re really, what we’re learning isn’t so much the blindfold vision. We’re learning what it feels like to be monkey mind, second guessing and overthinking, and what it feels like to know something. And so to have that
CeeJay Barnaby (46:43)
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (47:09)
gift of that inner knowing sense and to strengthen it through this game-like form of play. Now you go through life with your inner compass intact. You know what is a yes and what is a no. In your body you can feel it and what a gift that our young people from age 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 have this as a kind of fundamental skill.
or a kind of fundamental literacy as important as reading, writing, arithmetic, to have this intact as part of their upbringing and education is going to support everything else they do for the rest of their lives.
CeeJay Barnaby (47:51)
And the on flow from that energetically to the whole world changes.
in a positive way. Now, yeah, I’m loving this conversation because there’s so many good things happening in it. now. ⁓
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (47:59)
Yes.
CeeJay Barnaby (48:09)
How do you keep this work grounded and ethical rather than sensational? Cause I mean, there’s going to be people out there. They’re going to go, you guys are just tripping. know, do you actually do any like studies yourself? ⁓ Even if they’re anecdotal ⁓ empirical studies that you can actually show that the positive changes in people that actually assist with their more integrated lives thereafter.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (48:17)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, so I am one person doing my best and whoever is listening to this episode, I invite you to reach out to connect and collaborate. The biggest collaboration on that front that I’m working with right now is there’s a nonprofit called the CUSAC Group, C-U-S-A-C. It was founded by Dr. Tom Campbell, who’s known for his theory of everything, my big toe.
So the CUSAC group has a Mindsight study and I’m a consultant on the study. And what we’re doing is that with the Mindfold, in the beginning, when we first put it on, a lot of people start to experience, everybody has a different experience. Some people have little circles and different like windows of perception start opening. And some people have a little crack of light at the nose where it’s like, wait, am I?
peeking or people will say, are you looking through the crack? That’s the biggest objection that people have, right? It’s like, are you somehow wearing the mask a little bit loose peeking through the crack? So there’s different ways in which if you have the budget, you can have like a light sensor go inside the mask, a lux meter that shows that it actually is dark in there. Even though the person, the subject, the student actually experiences seeing light.
but the lux meter will measure that there’s a very imperceptible amount of light, certainly not enough light hitting the physical eyeballs for the physical eye vision to be what’s at play here. So there’s that kind of thing. But with the CUSAC group, what we’re doing is we are ⁓ evolving the level of the children’s abilities to the point where we are taping over more and more and more of the nose bridge until
CeeJay Barnaby (50:05)
Mm.
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (50:23)
until we start putting shields over it. And if they can still see consistently at a one in a million chance of guessing, then we can be convinced. Or some of our children are especially good at seeing behind their head, like if they can read numbers and letters and playing cards and shapes and so on behind their head at a one in a million chance of guessing.
then we’ll start to document this. So this is what we’re currently working on. And the challenge with this is that our children have documented in a flow state with moms and dads, where moms and dads are getting into a flow. When you put them in a super sterile clinical environment with a stranger that is like a scientific researcher, clinician type of situation.
you know, wearing a white coat with like a clipboard and it’s all cold and unfriendly is much more advanced to have the children tap into their joyful, playful flow state there, right? So that’s the conundrum with this work because consciousness, we’re tapping into this playful, relaxed, comfortable flow state.
And so that’s why when we have moms and dads play with the children, the love bond is already there. And that’s a big part of why we have such amazing results because we’re really building off of the pre-existing love bond that is already between mother and father and child. So Dahlia, who is ⁓ my colleague that I shared the adult training programs with, we collaborate on those. She has become now world renowned.
for having the most ⁓ mature methodology for working with blind adults. Adults that don’t have physical eyeballs. They have glass eyes or plastic eyes. So that’s another population that is being now studied by scientists because for sure they’re not cheating because they don’t have actual working eyeballs. I mean, it’s just, it’s kind of like… ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (52:19)
Mmm.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (52:34)
I don’t know. It’s like, what are the doubters and skeptics going to do? So I think the proof is definitely coming. We’ve all seen so many cases that has us individually convinced now from a scientific documentation perspective. This is a new field of human endeavors. So I encourage the audience to just be a little bit more.
CeeJay Barnaby (52:36)
How much proof do you need? Come on.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (53:01)
a little bit patient with it getting all buttoned up from a scientific perspective, but it’s all coming.
CeeJay Barnaby (53:07)
Yeah, excellent. ⁓ I got to ask you, do you still do this online or do you do it in person mainly?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (53:14)
So with the kids program, we do it online. In person is actually much easier. The online part allows us to reach all kinds of communities all across the world. ⁓ With adults, we are so far just doing it in person. So a lot of the adult trainings in the past used to be six to 10 long days and sometimes months and months of practice before the adults can.
awaken their abilities. Now Dali and I have put our hearts and minds together and refined the methodology down to just three days. So three days, 9am to 6pm of consistent training and in small groups of 15 to 20 people only. So we give everybody lots of custom attention and everybody has their openings. Yeah, yeah. So it’s a, it’s a, methodology has gotten more mature and also the consciousness has
CeeJay Barnaby (54:04)
That’s cool. Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (54:11)
has elevated to a point where these abilities are coming online very quickly. And we don’t just do the blindfold perception, we also play with spoon bending and telekinesis and doing all kinds of like fun, fun additional superhuman games in between the blindfold practice. So it’s a ton of fun.
CeeJay Barnaby (54:27)
Yeah.
I’m sure people would love to take this up. mean, what sort of person do you think would be attracted to this? And what would you say to them to say, just jump in, let’s do it.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (54:43)
Well, mean, everybody can follow their own path, you know, at the certain moment where it’s your time to really step into the full expression of your superhuman abilities, it will, you will just feel the call. So never any pressure. We have so much fun. So I guarantee if you decide to join us for one of these workshops, you’ll really enjoy it. And it’s such a special community of open-minded truth seekers and
consciousness explorers that you get to be friends with at these kinds of gatherings. And who knows if you’re single, maybe your twin flame soulmate might be there. Yeah, but really is for the open-minded consciousness explorer, the human pioneer that knows that now is the time for us to let go of these silly old limitation programs. We don’t need to…
CeeJay Barnaby (55:13)
Yeah, cool.
Your next selling point. Love it.
Yeah.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (55:37)
shrink ourselves and be small anymore. We don’t need to pretend to be so limited anymore. We can shine ourselves fully and play all out in this life. This is the time and this is what we came here for.
CeeJay Barnaby (55:52)
Yeah, for sure. What would you love listeners to question about their own potential after hearing this conversation?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (55:59)
Well.
When I hear that question, CJ, I have multiple streams of inspiration that flows through me. Because having just come back from two back-to-back adult trainings, our trainings attract the most incredible souls, advanced evolved souls that are already so expanded in their…
their beauty, their love, their gifts and abilities. And I find if anything, it’s more like, don’t be so hard on ourselves. You know, it’s almost like we want these gifts and abilities. We want to grow and evolve ourselves so much that that it almost blocks our own evolution versus just not taking it so seriously. Just play.
return to the pure innocence of the joy in our heart, the fun, the delight, and then these old limitations, they just melt away. You know, so I think if we ⁓ push ourselves to move past our limitations too harshly, too strongly, it almost ⁓ becomes counterproductive.
So yeah, I would encourage the audience to maybe ask ourselves, how can I have more fun in my life again? How can I let go of my serious case of over-seriousness? know? And just live in a state of joy again and return to our childlike nature. And that is the medicine that is so needed for these times.
CeeJay Barnaby (57:51)
Dr. Edith, we’ve come towards the end of the podcast. How do people find you in your work?
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (57:57)
Thank you so much. Thank you for this beautiful conversation, CJ. If you guys would like to connect with me, my personal website is dredithubuntu.com. That’s spelled D-R-E-D-H-E-D-I-T-H-U-B-U-N-T-U.com. But specifically, the blindfold vision work will be easier to spell. The website is blindfold.vision.
which will jump you to the part of my website that has all the Blindfold Vision stuff because I’ve been just like you exploring consciousness for decades so my website has all kinds of consciousness expanding content specifically the Blindfold Vision work just go to blindfold.vision
CeeJay Barnaby (58:41)
Thank you very much for your conversation, your wisdom, your sharing of your experience so openly. ⁓ There’s so much ⁓ golden information in this conversation. I’m sure a lot of people will get a lot of benefit out of it. So thank you so much for sharing.
Dr. Edith Ubuntu Chan (59:00)
Thank you for having me. Thank you.
