Ashley Brothers, a gifted psychic healer, shares her extraordinary journey of overcoming medical malpractice and a rare autoimmune disease through the power of intuition, energy medicine, and shamanic wisdom.
In this captivating conversation, Ashley delves into her lifelong connection with the spiritual realm, recounting her early experiences of seeing and communicating with spirits from the womb. She candidly discusses the challenges she faced, including terrifying encounters with dark entities and the struggle to find support from her family.
Ashley’s story takes an inspiring turn as she discovers the transformative power of energy healing and shamanic practices. Through her training with a shamanic practitioner, she learns to harness her intuitive gifts to clear energetic blockages, restore consciousness, and heal herself from the brink of death.
Blending ancient wisdom with modern neuroscience, Ashley shares her unique approach to energy medicine, explaining how she can perceive and clear the energetic imprints of trauma, abuse, and limiting beliefs. Her insights into the interconnectedness of the mind, body, and spirit offer a holistic perspective on wellness and personal transformation.
Listeners will be captivated by Ashley’s resilience, her deep understanding of the spiritual realm, and her commitment to empowering others on their own healing journeys. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in exploring the frontiers of consciousness, intuition, and the extraordinary potential of the human spirit.
Chapters:
00:02 – Introduction to Ashley Brothers
02:11 – Ashley’s Lifelong Psychic Abilities
04:49 – Early Experiences with Spirits and Premonitions
08:21 – Discovering Shamanic Healing and Energy Medicine
11:41 – Overcoming Terminal Illness and Autoimmune Disease
16:07 – Blending Shamanism and Neuroscience for Healing
19:00 – The Importance of Conscious Co-Creation
39:24 – Advice for Exploring Psychic Abilities and Spiritual Healing
42:04 – Manifesting Abundance through Intuitive Gifts
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Transcript
CeeJay – Supernormalized (00:02)
Today on Super Normalize, we speak with Ashley Brothers. She’s a gifted psychic healer whose life reads like a modern miracle story. She was born with extraordinary intuitive gifts that shaped her since infancy, and she was nearly lost multiple times due to medical malpractice. She defied doctors’ expectations by harnessing indigenous wisdom alongside modern energy medicine and healed herself using intuition.
and understanding and assistance from her higher self. Now, Ashley shares her unique journey from surviving a rare autoimmune disease to become an international life coach. Today, she goes through her story of having this ability from, by the sound of it, in before birth and how it led her into a greater life and how she now uses that understanding and that connection with co-creation to assist others. It’s a great story.
and I’m sure you’ll enjoy, so on with the show.
Welcome to super normalized Ashley Brothers. Ashley, it’s good to meet you and to know that you’re a one person rather than two people as we discussed before. So you’ve actually had a life of being a very sensitive person in that you have a very powerful psychic ability, intuition and connection to what I would call spirit that goes beyond the normal.
And it’s actually affected you in all so many ways and sometimes negatively, but it seems as though it’s actually brought a positive tilt to your life as well. Let’s talk about that.
Ashley Brothers (02:11)
Well, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. ⁓ Yeah, so I was, I’m basically what I would say is born awake, meaning I was able to see, hear, feel, experience spirits ⁓ basically out of the womb. My first memories were of something that happened actually prenatal. So I was in the womb at the time I had not been yet been born.
But I remember it like it was yesterday and when I told my parents about it for the first time in my teens they were shocked at the detail and I said there’s one thing that’s missing and that’s that you were not born at the time because I saw it from the vantage point as if I was just in the room with everybody when this event was happening and so from there I remember you being weighed as a baby getting my first shots watching spirits walk around the room
Like I’d hang on the edge of my crib watching these spirits, you know, basically interact with me. And most of them were not pleasant at that age. And so like a lot of people talk about angels and stuff. I did not encounter anything pleasant until I started my training in my twenties. So most of my stuff at an early age was scary. Even premonitions that would prevent accidents or death. So I didn’t have a pleasant like…
CeeJay – Supernormalized (03:14)
⁓
you
Ashley Brothers (03:33)
airy-fairy, I saw heaven type of stuff. I saw the dark side when I started.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (03:38)
Right,
right. had a bit of a rough introduction then. Yeah, that’s tough. Yeah. My, my daughter, when she was growing up, she started to have all this contact from spirits as well. And as a part of that, she had witches which were coming to attack her nightly and terrorize her and do all sorts of things. And it was really awful for her and she didn’t know what to do. She asked me what she can do. And I said, well, look, I can make some
Ashley Brothers (03:41)
Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (04:08)
So I made a talisman for her that actually worked really well and it actually cleared them out and stopped them from doing things. she actually also then learned the power of prayer and used that for her ability to push them away.
Ashley Brothers (04:11)
Nice.
Yeah, I mean, my poor parents could hear me screaming through the floor for years and they like through the vents because I was sleeping in the basement and they had no idea what to do. And I asked for like a little crucifix when I was like 13 years old. So all these years later, I was just like, can I have that cross so can wear it? My dad’s like, why? said, because all that screaming you hear is the spirits are touching me. And he’s just like, ma’am, can we have that?
CeeJay – Supernormalized (04:49)
Yeah,
cross now. Wow. So how did that unfold for you? I mean, can you share how your psychic gifts first manifested in your early life? mean, did you, considering that you were so open, was there any other things that were opening for you at the same time, like your clairvoyance or anything?
Ashley Brothers (04:51)
Yup, yup, yup.
Yeah, so I saw things, which is clairvoyance. I had a clear audience. I heard things. I had premonitions, like a sensation or a feeling that something was about to happen. And I would have basically an omniscience, like a knowing that I needed to go to a certain place at a certain time to help somebody. I’ll just share the first memory. So the first memory I had, my mother had
passed out between this black chair and an ottoman. And I recalled what she wore that day, all the TV shows that she had watched, know, ⁓ putting her hair in rollers. And when she collapsed, my sister and I were playing with blocks and Lincoln logs next to her body until dad got home. And what I didn’t realize until later is that my sister had not been fed or changed in seven hours. And my mother had fallen directly on her pregnant stomach, which is where I was, and had been laying there that whole time.
And so for me, I saw it as if I was a small person walking around the room with my sister. And so my first memories of seeing something, again, I don’t even know how to describe the out of body, clearly, experience. And then I started having the visions of the spirits. I could see them around the room.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (06:25)
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (06:33)
⁓ empath skills so I can sense other people’s thoughts and emotions or their intentions towards me ⁓ or just how they felt in general. And so that actually made me quite fearful because my mother was very abusive and so to sense her volatile moods, it was like, ⁓ no, just waiting for the shoe to drop. So there was that.
And then the precognition part where there were times where I felt like I had to wake up out of a dead sleep. And like, for instance, I went to the garage. Like I just had a strong impression I had to go there and the car was running inside the garage with the garage door closed and the fumes were going up to where my mother was. So I had to wake her up because she was very discombobulated. I had to open all the windows, turn off the car.
Mind you, I’m like 10, and like pull her outside. Another time she asked me if I wanted to go to a fabric store with her, and I just had a really bad feeling. So I said no at first. But then as she started pulling out of the garage, the feeling of doom got so bad that I opened the garage door, ran down the alley and thumped my fist on the trunk of her car. So she stopped. And so I got into it.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (07:30)
Lord. Wow.
Ashley Brothers (07:53)
And about 20 minutes later, she had a diabetic reaction while driving on the freeway. And we started going into, there was a part, there was a bridge where the traffic could cross. And so she started going into the oncoming lane and I was 11. And so I had to pull the wheel and tell her how to use the pedals, even though I didn’t know how to drive a stick or do anything. So there are multiple times like that throughout my life that were coming at me, like hit and miss.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (08:16)
Wow.
Ashley Brothers (08:21)
But I wasn’t able to call upon it at will until I started my training in my early 20s with a woman who was basically what you would refer to as a shamanic practitioner. And that’s where I learned about spirit guides and positive things. But I also learned about psychic attacks and all the different ways that things can come at us. Personal curses, generational curses and what have you. So the training started probably in, yeah, 2004.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (08:22)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Yes.
Ashley Brothers (08:51)
with different people throughout the world, different traditions.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (08:52)
Mm.
Was there a pivotal moment in 2004 that actually led you to pursue that training or?
Ashley Brothers (09:01)
I’d always been interested just because I’d seen spirits all my life. But at that moment, I want to say about two years before I started on antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications, but I was so numb and non-responsive that I was just apathetic to life. Like I had no joy whatsoever. And this is about four years after my, so my mom died in 1999 and
I got so depressed I just slept in the bed she died in for two and a half years and I was praying for death to come to me because I was so depressed and I just basically slept my life away for two and a half years until I got in a car accident one day accidentally and that’s where the doctor decided I should go see a psychiatrist. So I got on meds for the first time and was on them for two years and I was actually working for the government at the time and
After work, decided to go get a tarot card reading. I was like, what the heck? I need some something to inspire me right now. Maybe some witchy tarot card reader can make me feel better. And so at the end of the reading, the lady asked me, ⁓ everything was basically like a normal reading. Like I wasn’t really jazzed up about it. But as I was going down to get my purse, she said, do you know that you can speak to the dead? And I felt all the hair on my body raise on end. like, what?
And she’s like, if you want to know more about this, call this name on this card. So I called that woman and she was my very first healer. And it was so life-changing. I dropped a hundred pounds within, I don’t know, six months to it. Yeah. I was able to hug my family for the first time in years without freaking out from PTSD. And I just started public speaking. I started, I just became a totally different.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (10:28)
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (10:55)
that most people didn’t even recognize because she cleared some sort of energy for me that wasn’t mine, but she also restored a part of my consciousness that either lost as a result of abuse or that had not been there just because of what happened in the womb even. And so it just, became so powerful for me that I wanted to learn to do what she did because I didn’t think that Western medicine…
knew how to help people with abuse or trauma or depression, anxiety. And so that I started my training with her ⁓ about a year before I had a medical problem where that training would then save my life.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (11:40)
Wow, that’s brilliant, that’s brilliant. So you’ve overcome incredible health challenges, including a terminal illness and an autoimmune disease without conventional medicine. Is this a part of that story that you just told?
Ashley Brothers (11:41)
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (11:54)
Wow. And how do you actually blend your ancient shamanic techniques with modern neuroscience and energy psychology in your current healing work?
Ashley Brothers (12:02)
So in terms of shamanism, everything has consciousness. Everything has intelligence that you can connect to, communicate, and interact with for information, power protection, or healing. And so just by getting yourself into a meditative state like alpha, theta, brain wave frequencies that a lot of shamans would use drumming, rattling, singing, dancing, whatever, you can tap into ⁓ alternate realms. technically,
from a neuroscience point of view, ⁓ somebody who does neurofeedback would use alpha theta brain wave frequencies to treat depression and anxiety, PTSD and addiction. ⁓ It also helps regulate your nervous system ⁓ so that you can go back into homeostasis where the mind and body can heal itself. And so part of this is where it blends in is when you can change somebody’s energy enough,
it will change what they think and how they feel and how they act. a lot of times these, again, these Shamanic practitioners would go into a trance-like state to look, to see how the person’s energy was flowing. So for me, I could see if there was like shadow energy attached to a person. I could also discern what that shadow energy meant. Either it was a lack of their consciousness or energy, because oftentimes when people go through abuse or trauma, they check out, they dissociate.
And so they try to leave their body, numb themselves out, even just mentally, emotionally leave themselves so that they’re not being present for any physical sensations. so I’ll see, I can look in my mind’s eye and see energetically if they’ve lost energy or consciousness as a result of their life’s experiences or if they have something stuck to them.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (13:45)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (13:56)
Even thought forms can look like a cloud of energy around their head or trauma can look like certain things in certain areas of their body like sexual abuse. There might be like a cloud of energy in the lower half of the body. ⁓ That person’s consciousness may actually not even be present in that lower half. So it might be double dark where not only is their light not there, their consciousness isn’t there, but then you have something else.
that would maybe even just a memory of what happened to them still hanging out in the field and informing their life, informing their decisions, informing their reality. So as a Shamanic practitioner, I go in and clear those energies, look for what wants to come back at this time to let them be more grounded, have more of their consciousness, their energy embodied.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (14:32)
Hmm.
Ashley Brothers (14:47)
so that they can move forward in life instead of feeling stuck or depressed or anxious or what have you. And then I look to see if there’s any beliefs that need to be cleared. Because oftentimes people will go through something and then they form a belief about the rest of their life. Like they can’t trust men or women or that they aren’t worthy of something. So I have to help them identify the limiting belief or pattern that’s there and then use an
figure out how that’s then affecting them, because that’s where the energy psychology comes in, is if you have a belief, then it subconsciously plays like a program in the background. So even though you think you want money, or you think you want love, all this old programming is running in the background. So we have to identify what the program is, and then use neuroscience to get the brain and body to accept a new program that will
override the old one. So this is where again looking for the energies that need to leave that are attached to them, restoring what they need and then tackling the mental emotional part that will allow them to have better habits, better speech, better relationships, communication, that sort of thing.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (16:07)
I know for myself when I’ve been through experiences of depression and ⁓ sadness in my life in the past, that was the time that I’ve also been open ⁓ to psychic attack. So entities come and latch on and they’re like, well, we like this. This is good energy for us. And they, you know, enhance it. And the thing is, once you’re in that loop, sometimes it helps, you know, to find somebody that can actually
Ashley Brothers (16:21)
Yes.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (16:34)
do this work like you’re doing because you can’t even identify that it’s on you. You know what I mean? You think that these thoughts and all these ideas are your own, but they’re not. During a moment of soul loss that comes from PTSD, from shock, from illness, or from just being exposed to awful things, ⁓ those beings can just latch on and go, okay, now we can have a go. And when they do, you don’t know any different until they’re gone.
You think that it’s part of you and you’re part of your ideation and your soul, but it’s not, it’s not true.
Ashley Brothers (17:06)
Intrusive thoughts oftentimes are something else.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (17:09)
Yeah, I would say that too, you know.
Ashley Brothers (17:11)
You know, even if it’s
a program from a parent or somebody who is abusive to you, it’s usually not you.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (17:15)
Mmm.
Yeah, yeah, that’s right.
Ashley Brothers (17:20)
You know, I mean, we have
these moments where we get pissed at ourselves and we’ll say something, but a lot of times these thoughts that almost like a different voice, it’s something else. And oftentimes when people go through abuse or trauma, depending on how badly it affected them, they may actually wish their life away. And so there they push out a whole, that happened to me, there they push out a whole bunch of their consciousness that leaves a vacancy.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (17:42)
Yeah, me too.
Ashley Brothers (17:46)
And it’s like somebody abandoning their house and leaving the door open and squatters coming in and taking up residence. And I’ve had a lot of people who a lot of people who are spiritual seekers first had trauma and they think that they want to meet their guides and they believe anything that comes up and says, ⁓ I’m your guide. And they allow it to come in and inform their life. And it was just like fresh meat. Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (18:16)
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Ashley Brothers (18:17)
and they get possessed
and they have like all sorts of problems or they do the they get a witch book or some sort of self help thing or ritual manual and they start doing these ceremonies they have no idea that they’re making deals with dark things. And then.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (18:35)
Yeah, look, I totally
agree with you and it’s just a matter of being more conscious of it and what the outcomes can be. So, I mean, one of the greatest things we can lose is our own selves. And the problem is that these entities work at different levels. So they can actually work from a very subtle level. So it’s just like you said, just ideation all the way through to full possession. I’ve experienced the whole gamut and I didn’t believe in full possession until I had it. And it’s horrible. It’s horrible. And… ⁓
Ashley Brothers (19:03)
Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (19:04)
It literally governs your whole life and everything around it. So, and it’s very hard to get out, but once you’re out, you realize what it was and you’re like, no, I can’t believe that I’ll have myself open for that. But yeah, all power to you for helping kick those out. That’s cool. Can you explain what energy medicine means to you and how it affects someone’s physical, emotional and spiritual wellbeing?
Ashley Brothers (19:27)
Yeah, so everything is made up of energy. Everything has different frequencies of vibration. So, you know, different levels of resonance, I suppose you could say. And so that that different vibration can be an emotional vibration. can be a mental thing. It can affect your physical body even. And so. Like your emotions all have different ranges or octaves.
you know, ⁓ like dials on a TV or radio station. You just adjust it a little bit. Yeah, frequencies. There you go. Good job. And so the so energy medicine is where you are. Assessing where somebody’s at, sort of like a map, you are here and you figure out what they want and what you have to remove or restore to put them in alignment with this other thing. You know what mean? And so if there’s like a heavy, dense energy,
CeeJay – Supernormalized (20:01)
Frequencies.
Ashley Brothers (20:26)
you have to assess what that is because in some cases it could be people in their life, toxic relationships or environments. Because a lot of people don’t realize that we have this, we have a bundle of about 44,000 neurons in our heart that generates the largest electromagnetic field in the body. It’s roughly 40 to 60 times stronger than brain electrically and somewhere between 100 to 5,000 times stronger than the brain.
magnetically depending on how intense your emotions can get. So your field can go out several meters whereas your brain only goes out a few inches or centimeters. And so you can’t think, or act differently until you feel differently. And so energy medicine again is to try to figure out where are you now and where do you want to be? And if you have somebody, a person or thing in your environment,
that is stronger than you and it’s negative, you will lower in mood energy and vibration by a minimum of 50%, 30 to 50%.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (21:33)
Wow, didn’t know that.
Ashley Brothers (21:34)
Because you
will start to sync up. So if you are the dominant energy and you’re positive this person or thing may raise up 15 % maybe but if this negative energy is more dominant you will lower and so the more negative people or environments you are in that that Eclipse you It will reprogram you reset you through what’s called entrainment
CeeJay – Supernormalized (21:37)
Hmm.
Ashley Brothers (21:59)
That’s where enough intensity and repetition reprograms your whole field, your mind, your speech, your actions. so energy medicine, again, is to determine where this person is vibrationally and what inside themselves and where their environment needs to be removed or restored to put them in alignment with the type of life they want. Now you may have to tell them they need to change their diet because again, there’s a vibration there.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (22:00)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (22:26)
You may have to tell them they need to do some sort of practice ⁓ or breath work or something or to remove toxic people or even objects. I’ve had people where they have written something down somewhere and I’ll be like, what’s right here? What’s in this part of your house? And they’re like, no, I don’t want it to affect my journal. And they start walking off with it. I’m like, what’s in that book? Because the feeling, it’s.
It’s generating its own vortex. What’s in it? And one person said, oh, it’s my blood, sweat and tears of building my business for 20, you know, some years or whatever. And so when a person has objects in their house, either from estate sales, people who died, because you can have death pollution energy in your house, or you get things from other people that may be.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (23:16)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (23:19)
mean or rude or just went through a bunch of fights, you may be bringing that energy into your house. And so people do not realize that even if they go to like overseas and they get an effigy mask, they think it’s a pretty mask from Africa or East Asia or something, it may actually have a spirit in there that has its own agenda. So energy, mean, when you’re dealing with energy medicine, you’re not just dealing with the frequency, you’re also dealing with the consciousness.
in it because everything has this intelligence. so again, if it eclipses you, even though the practitioner has to be strong enough to eclipse the client, otherwise the client may act, the practitioner may absorb the client stuff. And so this is where it’s like you have to use a certain techniques. It could be reiki, like universal life force energy where you are laying your hands on somebody or sending energy long distance.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (24:03)
Hmm.
Ashley Brothers (24:16)
You could be using crystals, you could be using sound like singing bowls, you could be using rattles or drums or all sorts of variety of instruments ⁓ or tools in order to shift a person’s energy to remove something or restore something or balance and equalize it out. But again, you basically have to assess what is it within the person themselves, their environment or their relationships that’s also contributing.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (24:37)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (24:45)
and see if they’re willing to make those changes because some people are afraid to get rid of a family heirloom or a relationship no matter how bad it is.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (24:55)
Well, they could cleanse it as well if they knew how to so but they probably don’t even think of that so
Ashley Brothers (25:01)
Well
in some cases though it really depends. I mean if you bring an object from a torture chamber, do you want to cleanse that and keep it?
CeeJay – Supernormalized (25:08)
⁓
but why would you keep that? Seriously.
Ashley Brothers (25:11)
Well, some people love it. Some people love
dark stuff and they think it’s jazz-ism up, so.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (25:18)
Well, it does, but in wrong way. Yeah, now that speaks to that ⁓ idea of how, like you said, we resonate with all those things, with all of reality around us. And it does also talk to the idea that we are multidimensional beings continuously, even though we don’t recognize it. And by trimming away the ⁓ excess that doesn’t actually assist us, or it allows us to raise in consciousness.
Ashley Brothers (25:19)
Yeah, yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (25:46)
that can be people, also then comes back to that idea is as you grow out of people, that’s the reason why you’re growing out of those people is because they are no longer effective for your consciousness at that time.
Ashley Brothers (25:58)
Well, social media and stuff like that can do the same thing. That’s what they don’t, people don’t realize when they’re scrolling, their eyes tipping back slightly actually puts them to alpha theta, which makes them highly programmable. So they’ll, they’ll spend all this time scrolling and they have all this, these, music in the background. And then people, what people are saying, they’re getting programmed so easily into this addictive mode where they’re just like hungry for stuff. That’s not even true, but it programs.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (26:10)
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (26:26)
what they think, how they feel, how they act.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (26:29)
MKUltra never stopped. That government programming system. Yeah, yeah.
Ashley Brothers (26:31)
Yeah.
It’s kind of crazy. Well, even Wi-Fi,
mean, Wi-Fi and cell towers, I mean, they have their own way of programming people’s energies. I mean, I’ve seen people come in with this weird fuzz around them. And I’m like, what is that? And I realized later it’s Wi-Fi.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (26:49)
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, this is the modern world that people have to deal with and we all ask for this. So if you want to just turn off those contracts and become more of a pure being, you can always get outside barefoot and stand in the sun and ⁓ resonate with the pure light of ⁓ consciousness.
Ashley Brothers (27:05)
Yeah. Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (27:07)
As someone who has worked as an end of life companion and death duel, what insights have you gained about the human spirit facing mortality?
Ashley Brothers (27:16)
Wow, a lot of people are afraid of what’s on the other side, what’s waiting for them. ⁓ As a person who had multiple death or near death experiences myself, you know, a lot of people, they’ll talk about heaven and the light. I didn’t go there. I didn’t go to hell, but I went to the void. Nobody talks about that. Nobody talks about that in these beautiful
CeeJay – Supernormalized (27:40)
Yeah, that’s where I went. Yeah, I went there too.
Ashley Brothers (27:46)
books and movies, they all talk about going to the light and seeing the angels and stuff, but you know, even like seeing orbs go around the room and just like orbs of light or orbs of darkness, whatever is opportunistic and helping or going against it. So some people are afraid of the unknown. Some people are afraid of getting lost or losing their loved ones.
losing connection with their loved ones. You know what mean? Like they feel like they’re going to be alone on the other side. Or in some cases, they might be afraid of who they’re going to meet. am I going to meet my ex-husband? Or am I going to meet, you know, my mom who I can’t stand? You know what I mean? Like some people are just terrified of who they’re going to see over there and like, oh my God. Other people are they have a regret about what they didn’t do. A lot of people, a lot of times it’s not so much what they did.
that they regret, it’s what they didn’t get a chance to do. And that’s why a lot of the gurus and stuff say don’t, you know, live like today is your last. You know, like don’t keep waiting and putting things on hold because so many people go, I’m too young. Even when they’re in their 70s and their 80s, in their mind, you feel different on the inside. So even if we look like we’re older, on the inside, lot of people still feel young. And so they feel kind of, you know,
CeeJay – Supernormalized (28:44)
you
Ashley Brothers (29:10)
like a child almost going to face this unknown place all by themselves and so they’re scared. So part of this is just to get the person to calm down, to give them a chance to process anything that they did or didn’t experience in life and get them to a place of peace and stillness and acceptance. So a lot of times just being that death doula is to help them process. You know, it’s like a life review ⁓ and to just…
You can do energy healing on them while they’re, you know, in that state of still being conscious or just being present with them even when they are seemingly unresponsive. I was with a gentleman for like the last six weeks of his life and there was a time near the end where he hadn’t opened his eyes in two days. And I walked in, I said, Marcus, I’m here. And he put his hand up. Didn’t move anything else. And so I held his hand for.
For 30 minutes and then it dropped and he never responded to anybody again, but I was with him even when he passed and The days leading up to he was very coherent until like again those last two or three days and so just just helping people find peace and acceptance and to let go of Their belongings let go of certain people and just a process I think is basically what it is But it’s the life not lived in the fear of the unknown and who they will meet
CeeJay – Supernormalized (30:21)
Hmm.
Ashley Brothers (30:35)
where they will go is what’s the most, ⁓ what comes up the most.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (30:38)
Hmm.
Wow, that’d be a tough job in some ways, I think, helping people on their way through.
Ashley Brothers (30:50)
It depends. mean, the people themselves seem to be fine. Their relatives can suck though. I’ve been privy to people who are trying to push that morphine button for their relative to make them go out faster. ⁓ yeah, or they’ll say like, you have no idea how hard this is on us while the person is in the hospital bed. And the person’s like listening like as if they’re the inconvenience. It’s crazy.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (31:04)
What?
Ashley Brothers (31:16)
You know, so sometimes people are fighting right in front of the person. Sometimes they’re saying terrible things. I’m like, this is where it’s not good. And so I’ve stepped in and like, it’s time for you to go now. You know what I mean? Or like, hey, let me have this moment. You know what I mean? And so I just sort of become the buffer between my client and their relatives who are just greedy and like vultures. And that was actually something that happened with me.
When ⁓ I had the terminal illness at the time, I had to prepay for my cremation. I got my earn with my thank you cards for my funeral because I was that close. And I had people asking me how much money they would get if I died or how much money they would get from my medical lawsuit if I survived because my disease was medically induced. And so I had so many people that were putting their list in.
of what they wanted while I was barely clinging on with a thread.
I mean, it was so gross. just cut people out of my life. In fact, I sold my house. I left ⁓ the state that I was living in and I never went back. I didn’t contact any of those people.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (32:27)
Yeah, yeah, they’re not batting for you.
Ashley Brothers (32:27)
They clearly were not friends. So, oh yeah, but it’s
unbelievable how many people are just like waiting. And so I think that that’s one of the things is protecting the people who are vulnerable, you know, in those moments. And it doesn’t matter, you know, if they’re young and they’re old, is there in the hospital at home or nursing home facility or whatever. It’s just really helping them to find peace and clarity and acceptance of wherever they’re at.
so that they can exit from a good place because you sort of come in with the energy that you left with or you have that potential to do that. So if you can help people find peace and acceptance so they don’t have to repeat that either on the other side or in another life because my mom when she died she haunted us for 15 years and so I had to do some massive healing on her before she would just leave us all alone and actually
come back as a very calm person who was unlike anything I knew while she was alive. She’s actually quite funny and jovial now. yeah, it’s kind of nuts. So.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (33:42)
Tell me about your experiences at The Void. It sounds like it was a very positive experience.
Ashley Brothers (33:46)
Well, when I was really ill, I kept leaving my body. And I didn’t realize it at first, but I was having grand mal seizures, petite mal’s. And then I started having strokes. I had a total of 16 strokes. And during one of the seizures, I had popped out of my body and it was like I was hovering above the earth. And I was in that just in space at the time. And I saw these test tubes.
next to me and they were clanking. And I was like, what is that? So I just said, are there any, you know, star beings or spirits out there that are willing to talk to me and tell me what these things are? And one showed up. So I asked him, like, what are these test tubes? And he said, those are the years of your life. I said, why are they clanking? He says, you’re having a seizure. It’s the first time I even knew I had a seizure. Nobody had ever told me. And then I said, what’s the dark blue test tube? And he said, that’s the year of your death.
So I counted them and it was that year. And because at that point, my doctors were telling me that my test results were normal. I had to order them to find out I was dying because they were trying to make me go away because I was in the midst of a medical lawsuit for malpractice. Yeah. A doctor had left a wad of gauze in my gut during a surgery to remove some ovarian cysts and it was there for eight months.
It created sepsis and two grapefruit sized masses that fused all my organs together. I was finally able to get those two grapefruit sized masses removed, my left ovary removed because it was destroyed and surgically separate all my organs. But eight months after that, I ended up having to have a total hysterectomy because the suture material from the first two surgeries never dissolved. So I lost the rest of my reproductive system.
They surgically separated my organs again, but the infection still hadn’t stopped. So eight months later, I ⁓ collapsed in the shower with chest pain, shortness of breath. And I found out later that I had developed a rare autoimmune disease that was eating through my arteries and my aorta. And so I went to all these doctors, over 40 doctors in three different states were refusing me care because I was in the midst of a medical lawsuit and they were prescribing me meds that would have killed me.
or not worked at all. And some of them were just blatantly rude, like, here’s a typical woman that needs to learn to relax. It’s all in your head. You need to go see a psychiatrist. You’re mentally ill. Or you’re not dead yet, so it can’t be that bad. So I mean, the doctors here in America were just horrendous. Or even telling me they knew what was wrong with me, but they refused to help me because I was in a lawsuit. So I had to order my records to find out that I had
CeeJay – Supernormalized (36:28)
Wow.
Ashley Brothers (36:38)
Four hernias, a collapsing intestine, a twisted bowel, sepsis, a rare autoimmune disease, seizures, strokes. Some of the strokes and seizures I had while driving on the freeway.
I mean, it blows my mind. I lost my memory for two and a half years. I couldn’t read or do math and I had no idea who I was. I had left-sided partial paralysis and I don’t have any of it anymore. So energy medicine was such a huge instrumental piece of not only getting my memory back, but even my organs rearranged themselves so I no longer have the hernias. I never had to have surgery for that. My disease went into remission and most people only have it for five years and they die.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (36:59)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (37:20)
and they’re usually on chemotherapy and prednisone until that point. I never had to take any medications. I just made tweaks to my diet because of my intuition. So when I was going through this and I was going into the void, it was a place of kind of like, nobody ever talks about this. Is this hell?
You know what mean? It’s kind of a weird thing because all the books, all the stories, all the movies talk about this golden heavenly place and I never went there. And so was like, what’s wrong with me? I’m like, did I make a bad deal somewhere along the way? But, but over time I just was like, I have work to do clearly. If my goal is to get to a heavenly realm or to a place of light, I’m not going to go out like this.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (37:41)
Thank
Hmm. Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (38:08)
I’m not going to get stuck in between worlds, lost along the way, be earthbound. So it was a pleasant place. There was no pain there. I don’t fear it anymore. But I also had a feeling that it was a place in between worlds rather than a destination. And so I was just like, I’m not going to go out on somebody else’s terms just because they want me to go away so I don’t finish my lawsuit.
So I was listening to this voice that told me not only what I needed to do to shut everything off, including the seizures, the strokes, and the condition itself. So I no longer have any of it. But he led me also to the doctor that was willing to put synthetic tubes in my chest to give me blood to both my legs, my left arm, and my brain. this work has been very instrumental in my survival.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (39:03)
Yeah, wow, that’s an amazing story. Far out, you’ve been through so much.
Ashley Brothers (39:09)
Yeah. Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (39:11)
Many people feel fear or uncertainty when exploring psychic abilities or spiritual healing. What advice would you give listeners interested in, but are still hesitant to start their own journey?
Ashley Brothers (39:24)
I would say connect with your higher self first. A lot of people, they’re afraid of what they’ll meet, like demons or bad things or what have you, because there are certainly dark things out there. Most are not demonic, but there are a lot of opportunistic beings. getting in touch with your heart, just doing some heart-focused breathing for five to 10 minutes, and then asking your higher self or divine mind. Divine mind is a beautiful thing to ask for or a Holy Spirit to ask for.
It’s just a pure energy, a pure essence that once you’re in that floaty alpha theta brainwave frequency from breathing for like five to 10 minutes, then you can start asking some questions. And you’ll be surprised at how quick answers come. But even if it doesn’t come in that moment, because you’re like attached to the actual outcome, it will come to you later when you least care, like when you’re putting the liner in a garbage can or something. But just.
Putting that intention of connecting with your heart because it’s the seat of your soul again It’s the largest electromagnetic field in your body and it has the records basically of your past if you want to call it that and the records of your future, but just just Starting off with connecting with yourself divine mind. Holy spirit if you want to call it that the field That’s gonna be your safest energy instead of looking for individual guides that may be opportunistic
Because just even setting that intention alone is like turning the dial on a TV or radio station to get a particular channel. You say my guides, that could be anything.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (41:01)
It could be the nasty ones.
Ashley Brothers (41:04)
Yeah,
so just getting yourself calm and floaty first, whatever that means. Get away from all distractions, all people, all noise. Make sure you’ve gone to the bathroom and that you’re not starving. Get rid of distractions and then just go sit with yourself and breathe for five to 10 minutes. Even if you want to put some music on that has no words that will direct your thoughts and just do that and then start asking yourself some questions. You may even start writing.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (41:07)
Mmm.
Ashley Brothers (41:30)
you know, like automatic writing things just start popping up.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (41:35)
Yeah, yeah, you know truth when you when you sense it for sure Yeah
Ashley Brothers (41:39)
Yeah. And the more
you do it, the more information you get. When I first started, it would just be like a sentence or a few words or maybe like a flash of an image that I would have to learn to interpret. But over time, I got pages and pages and pages. I could do it for hours.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (41:54)
How does manifesting abundance tie into intuitive gifts and what practical steps do you teach people to align with success in life? Areas like relationship and
Ashley Brothers (42:04)
That’s a big question. ⁓ Well, first of all, knowing what you want. A lot of people, have absolutely no idea, or they don’t even know the difference between a means goal and an ends goal. Because a lot of people say they want a million dollars, but what they want is the house. They want the car. They want opportunities. They want freedom. So it’s not like they just want money and they just want to play with money all day, like cash. They actually want the things.
And so the things
CeeJay – Supernormalized (42:31)
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (42:31)
can come in different ways. And so just knowing what you want and why you want it is the first step of it. Clarity is like ⁓ the address you put into a GPS device. It is the dial you turn on the radio. You know what mean? You have to know what it is that you want. And then you may have to, by going into that floaty alpha theta state, ask yourself.
What do have to start or stop doing an ordinary reality to have that? Because one of the things that people forget about manifestation is that in some cases it requires action. People just want the universe to drop it in their lap or have Prince Charming knock on their front door. But you may have to like change your attitude. You may have to change, you know what mean? Like the way you dress. You may have to get out of the house. You know what I mean? If you live and work out of your house, you don’t meet anybody. It’s like
CeeJay – Supernormalized (43:19)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (43:23)
You need you need the plumber to come date you. I mean, it’s it’s you know what I mean? Sometimes you have to you have to look at it from both sides of the fence You have to look at what do I have to know in both ordinary and non-ordinary? Reality to be in alignment with the life that I want Because people may need if they want a healthy body they may have to stop eating certain things or Go to the gym or you know, I mean there might be some practical things that they need to do same thing with money
⁓ in some cases I’ve, I’ve done things where I’ve just gone universe. I’m, I’m desperate for a certain amount of money right now. This is what I need. And I just, I don’t know why. I just visualize checks coming to me in the mail and how happy I would be to receive it. And this is actually during COVID and within a week and a half, I think it was, I got two checks in the mail that equaled the amount that I needed.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (44:13)
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (44:20)
And one came from somebody I had given money to 19 years before. And the other came from somebody I’d given money to 12 years before. And they just decided it was time. ⁓ Same thing another time for manifesting money. I wanted to go to some event, Dr. Joe Dispenza. And so just, I was like, a check thing in the mail worked before. Let’s do it again.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (44:26)
Wow.
Ashley Brothers (44:47)
So I visualize a check coming into the mail and how happy I was to receive it. And about two weeks later, I got check from an insurance company that I had five years before that decided they owed me money. You know what I mean? And so it covered the event that I wanted to go to. But in terms of relationships, oftentimes people have these weird fantasies in their head about what they want. And they may actually try to
force ⁓ somebody who’s not healthy for them to be good to them. And this is where you have to be really careful. Like, let’s say they’re in a toxic relationship with a narcissist, for instance, and they keep visualizing this person’s going to turn into Princess Charming and suddenly become who they want them to be. So they’re overlooking red flags or ignoring them. And so part of this is to go, OK,
CeeJay – Supernormalized (45:29)
Hmm.
Ashley Brothers (45:46)
What are the qualities of the type of person rather than trying to force that particular person to become somebody else? What are the qualities that I’m seeking and really like calling in those energies? ⁓ It could be through visualization. Visualization paired with the matching emotion, like the joy of receiving something.
Because you have to feel it now in the moment rather than the longing or the hoping, the wishing that that’s an opposite energy for manifestation that actually blocks what you seek. But when you program yourself that it’s coming, you believe it, you expect it that it’s on its way. Oftentimes you because your field is so big, remember I saying your heart generates this field that starts to inform the collective.
If you have a positive enough energy and you do it with enough intensity and repetition, not only will change your mind so you’re willing to take the action that you may have been resistant to before, or you start to program people and things around you to attract what it is you’re seeking. So part of this, manifestation with money and relationships is truly, again, alignment, but alignment in your speech.
can’t talk negatively, can’t say, you know, talk from a place of poverty and lack. So your speech have to be in alignment, your actions have to be in alignment, your beliefs have to be in alignment. You know what saying? Like there’s multiple parts of this where you can’t talk like you’re poor and then expect money to be dropped in your lap. You can’t talk like, you know, like the world sucks and then attract.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (47:31)
Mm.
Ashley Brothers (47:37)
this beautiful positive person, they’re not going to be attracted to you if you just like this negative, rude, mean person. vibration isn’t just you spending an hour meditating and then going back and spending the other 23 hours a day in a totally opposite vibration. All these different things have to line up for you to actually match.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (47:54)
Yeah.
That’s right, you’ve got to be in resonant. Sort of phase with it for it to happen. And be…
Ashley Brothers (48:03)
Yeah.
You can’t gaslight the universe. cannot manipulate the
universe. that’s where people are going wrong. They’re trying to manipulate the universe in these one hour stints or through a ritual or a ceremony. Good luck to you. It may work temporarily, but the backlash, whew, good luck. no, live with integrity and the universe will respond. But if you just practice and are not committed, you will get mixed results.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (48:23)
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Your transition in 2025 focuses on bringing neuroscience to the forefront. How do you see science helping people ⁓ make spiritual healing more accessible or accepted globally?
Ashley Brothers (48:47)
Well, lot of people, can divide people. So, you know, different religions, belief systems, you start, you know, they may butt heads, but neuroscience, it also talks about a lot of what the spiritual people say is like, a good person. You know what I mean? Be in alignment with what you seek. ⁓ Have a healthy relationship with the field. Some, religions and spirituality will call it God, but if you’re just talking about the quantum field,
If you learn how to use your instrument properly, this body, and learn how to change your energy, not only inside you, but around you, so your environment, the people and things you have in your environment.
things just start to flow a lot easier. So science unifies people because it really gives you practical ways, again, to change your brainwave frequencies first. Your brainwave frequencies into alpha, theta, which will allow your mind to accept new information that will allow you to make different decisions and choices and take different actions that will have different outcomes. So neuroscience, part of this is just changing the mindset, the program that’s running.
that leads you to recreate the same wounding event circumstances and relationships over and over again. It’s just a program. Oftentimes it comes passed down. It could be in our DNA, you know, from our ancestors, a fear of a certain thing ⁓ or a belief system, or it could be something that somebody actively programmed into us at school, at church, in the military, from our family. You know what I mean? And so the neuroscience aspect is to really, like, to get
people to understand that they, that everything has energy, everything has a frequency of vibration, and you have to figure out where you are and where you want to be and what shifts you need to make in order to have this other outcome. And when you start to do that, you start to realize.
that you need to have a good relationship with the field. I don’t care if you call it God or you call it the universe. If you look at everything from a fearful lens, you will find it. If you look at it from positive lens, you will find it. That’s the whole double slit experiment. Wherever you look for the electron, there it is. so, you know I mean? neuroscience really is teaching people to…
actively participate in their own miracles in creating a field that is like a blessing or a miracle or a curse like energy, you’re really teaching people how to responsibly ⁓ participate in this co-creation that’s here. I don’t know if that makes sense. Yeah.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (51:40)
I was just waiting for you to say that word.
I was thinking, if she’s talking about co-creation, great.
Ashley Brothers (51:45)
Yes,
it is. And so that’s where neuroscience comes in. It’s like, a lot of times people, I’m like, when they have certain things about their life, I’m like, what is your belief about that? Oftentimes, if people don’t have something, they have a belief about it. And so you have to change the belief. And that’s where the neuroscience comes in, because there can be such a strong resistance to change, especially with addictions. Or if you have like,
certain negative relationships. Some people, no matter how bad that relationship is, they cling to it because they’re so afraid of being alone. So they’d rather have toxic than nothing. So getting people to just change to a brainwave frequency that is sort of like neutral, they can see the truth and once they see it, they can’t unsee it. And then they’re more willing.
to make a change because before they had the strong belief system that was anchored by a feeling. If you can change the thought and anchor in a new feeling, it will replace the old one. So that’s where the neuroscience comes in. You know what I mean? And so it really is about identifying what it is that’s keeping this pattern going. So pattern recognition, appropriate pattern recognition. Because there’s a lot of people out there that because of their beliefs,
CeeJay – Supernormalized (53:01)
you
Yeah.
Ashley Brothers (53:07)
they put this filter between themselves and something else and they have no idea what it’s actually saying. They’re like, I saw an eagle. That means I’m supposed to marry this jerk. Like, no, that eagle is probably going to feed its baby. But because they’re programmed to that excessive pattern recognition, like it’s 11-11, I’m…
CeeJay – Supernormalized (53:22)
You
Ashley Brothers (53:30)
supposed to eat that hamburger that I know I’m not supposed to eat, you know what I mean? It’s just like, my guides are giving me the thumbs up, and I’m just like, okay, no. You’re looking for evidence that it’s okay, or you’re looking for evidence that something’s not okay. it’s getting into these places of…
True pattern recognition and change and co-creation. And if a person sees themselves as a victim of life, they will never have positive co-creation.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (53:59)
Definitely. I’ve actually been in that sort of bit of madness with connecting to things too much.
Ashley Brothers (54:08)
me too, which is why I’m now
like, my god, don’t do it.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (54:12)
But
yet once you’ve been through it and where it can take you, you’re like, okay, well, that’s another form of being taken over, control possessed in some ways with ideas, which can have their own power and energy.
Ashley Brothers (54:27)
Well, I got to a point where I was so fed up with the way things kept playing out for years. Like, universe, show me my role in every toxic relationship or situation. And they’re like, are you sure? And so I got my, so not being resistance, I got myself into that floaty place for like 10, 15 minutes. I’m like, OK, show me my role in this, this, this, and this. they’re like, with toxic relationships, I was a people pleaser. I ignored and overlooked red flags.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (54:37)
Ooh, that’s a good one. That’s a good one.
Ashley Brothers (54:55)
And I assumed that the horrible feeling I had in my body was old trauma. didn’t want to believe it was current trauma.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (55:03)
I know.
Ashley Brothers (55:03)
You know what I mean? so like, or
with ⁓ money or certain things, I’m like, this is where I’d gone wrong with money, or this is where I’d gone wrong with certain other things. I’m like, ⁓ and instead of going into guilt and shame, I just allowed myself to stay in that neutral, floaty place. said, now what is the solution so that I have a different outcome? And I mean, so I started to get the roadmap, but I had to be in a place of utter neutrality first.
I to be willing to see the truth in order to change it because I’ve had over 177 clients since January, 2023 overcoming narcissistic abuse. And almost all of them thought they met their soulmate, their twin flame or their past life lover because this person felt familiar. No, this person profiled them, love bombed the heck out of them and then treated them the way they’re probably their toxic parent treated them.
And they went into the same patterns of behavior that they had before and wondered why they had the same outcome. So this is where I get kind of weird about the spirituality aspect is that is only one filter. This is why we have to look at it from both sides of the fence, no matter what it is, a problem or a solution. What is the ordinary and non-ordinary problem and solution for everything? Because it’s a multifaceted thing that needs to be looked at.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (55:57)
say that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, it speaks to that idea of a consistent and conscious stepping back from where you are to be able to see what’s actually happening.
Ashley Brothers (56:35)
Yeah, you have to see the pattern and if you don’t play your role, other people can’t play theirs. And so you’re the only one that you can have any measure of control with. And then at some point you sort of also have to like let go and let God let the universe play a hand.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (56:52)
Exactly.
Ashley, we’ve come to the end of the podcast. How do people find you and ⁓ work with you and learn more about your
Ashley Brothers (57:01)
So they can go to my website. It’s bonesoftheearth, B-O-N-E-S-O-F-T-H-E-E-A-R-T-H, so bonesoftheearth.org. That’s where they can find my information. I do readings. I do healings. I do spiritual counseling. sort of, or, you know, sort
which can also just be neuroscience stuff if you have limiting beliefs that you want to overcome. just go there, look at my stuff, and if you need to just chat with me, there’s a way to connect to me through my website. even if you just need a consultation, like you don’t know what you need. You just need to talk to somebody and figure out what combination of something you need. Just go to my website and you can find me there.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (57:52)
Excellent. This has been a great talk. Thank you so much, Ashley. I appreciate the way you’ve shared and your understanding of the importance of our part in co-creation. That’s what I’m actually getting through all of this. So yeah, thank you.
Ashley Brothers (58:03)
Yeah, and just regardless of what’s going on in the world today, this is where we get, if we can keep our peace, keep our calm, we can learn to respond rather than react. And so that can be part of this beautiful co-creation as we’re going through our transitions globally right now.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (58:21)
came here for a big reason, that’s the reason why it’s all happening right now, which is, yeah, it’s good that you recognize that and I’m certain that everyone that’s been listening can hear that as well and also start to think of other ways to look at their lives and ⁓ manifest the reality they really want to have.
Ashley Brothers (58:37)
Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate this.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (58:39)
Alright, I’ll just say goodbye to the listeners.
Yeah, you’re welcome. It’s been a pleasure. Alright.
Ashley Brothers (58:44)
⁓ mine too.
CeeJay – Supernormalized (58:51)
Well, that was an awesome episode again, talking with Ashley and about her understanding of connection to what I would call the field and how important it is to be in resonance with that field. And as a part of that resonance, the co-creation that creates the reality that we live and the importance of actually keeping that focused on, well,
Maybe it’s like an unfocused focus on your own goals and how what you intake into yourself can affect the outcomes of your experience. So becoming more conscious of your needs, what’s actually good for you. And then finding that as a growth point is all powerful. And thank you to Ashley for sharing all that. That was amazing.
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