From Dumpster Fire to Spiritual Sorcerer: Justin Shaw’s Raw Journey to Higher Consciousness
What if the worst chapters of your life were actually the curriculum? That’s the question at the heart of Justin Shaw’s story, and it’s one that CeeJay Barnaby digs into with real depth on this episode of Supernormalized.
Justin Shaw is a mystical comedian and author of Sorcery 101: 13 Rungs to a Higher Elevation of Consciousness, and his path to writing that book was anything but straight. Growing up in an emotional vacuum, raised mostly by his mother who struggled with depression and internalized pain, Justin never heard the word “love” spoken aloud at home. That absence left a mark that would take decades to understand and heal.
The Roots of Addiction and Spiritual Bankruptcy
By his mid-teens, Justin had discovered that drugs and alcohol could do what his home environment never could: make the pain disappear, at least temporarily. His twenties became what he calls a “dumpster fire,” cycling through jails, rehab centers, halfway houses, and park benches. He even managed to graduate college during this period, all while carrying a massive addiction.
His first stint in rehab taught him nothing, because he wasn’t ready to listen. He was convinced the problem was purely physical, that once the withdrawal symptoms passed, he’d be fine. That lasted about 90 days. The second time around, something shifted. He opened the door, just a crack, to the idea that there might be something spiritual going on beneath the surface.
Leaving the Mansion: A Spiritual Awakening
Justin uses a powerful metaphor to describe his departure from conventional religious frameworks. He calls it “leaving the mansion.” For him, the foundation of the belief system he’d been handed crumbled when his mother passed, and he had no choice but to step outside and look for something else. What he found was a shaman, meditation, and a willingness to question the limiting beliefs planted in his subconscious before the age of seven.
Then came the moment that changed everything. After a gym session, while stretching on the floor, Justin experienced what he calls a “bliss attack.” Three hours of waves of love and bliss washing over him, downloads from the universe flooding in, truths arriving faster than he could process them. He describes it like finally turning off airplane mode after a lifetime of being disconnected. All the messages started coming in at once.
That experience became the blueprint for Sorcery 101.
What Is Source Energy?
The title of the book is spelled with a “U” in sorcery because it’s not about cauldrons and robes. It’s about source energy, the force that surrounds and binds the universe together. Justin draws a direct line between source energy and the Force from Star Wars, and he signs every book with “May the source be with you.” He believes the secrets of the universe are hidden in the nooks and crannies of pop culture, and that speaking the language of humor, technology, and cultural reference is the most effective way to reach people, especially younger generations.
Emotional Alchemy: Turning Trauma Into Wisdom
One of the most powerful concepts Justin shares is emotional alchemy. Just as medieval alchemists sought to turn base metals into gold, emotional alchemy is the process of taking your trauma and transforming it into wisdom. The key is disconnecting the emotional charge from the memory. When that happens, the trauma no longer runs your life. You stop reacting and start responding.
He uses a vivid analogy: a broken arm that was never properly set will always be sore. Touch it and the person flinches. Emotional trauma works the same way. Someone who explodes at a cashier over something trivial isn’t really reacting to the cashier. They’re releasing decades of unprocessed pain onto whoever happened to press the wrong spot.
Intuition Over Instinct: The Most Important Skill You’re Not Being Taught
Justin’s most immediately practical teaching is the distinction between instinct and intuition. Instinct is fear-based and reactive, essential for genuine danger but destructive when coworkers and in-laws become the modern equivalent of saber-toothed tigers. Intuition, on the other hand, is your higher self, the observer, the player character behind the screen.
His method for accessing intuition is simple but requires practice. Use a 4-5-6 breathing pattern (four counts in, hold for five, out for six), repeated five times to clear the mind. Then place your hand on your heart and ask yes or no questions. The answer will arrive before you even finish the question. Over 30 days of practice with small, everyday decisions, you build trust in that inner guidance system. Justin says it’s the skill that should be taught in every school on the planet.
Daily Practices That Hold It All Together
Justin starts every day with 20 to 30 minutes of yoga followed by half an hour of guided meditation. He’s found that loosening the body through yoga dramatically improves the quality of the meditation that follows. He also emphasizes nutrition and physical activity as part of what he calls the trifecta: mind, body, and spirit. Neglect one and the other two suffer. Honor all three equally and that’s where real healing lives.
One Size Does Not Fit All
Perhaps the most important misconception Justin wants to dismantle is the idea that there’s a single path to healing. His experience in rehab showed him that the standard route of religion and AA works for some people but leaves others behind, particularly those who carry religious trauma. His book exists to offer a different map, one that uses humor, pop culture, and spiritual tools to meet people exactly where they are.
Justin’s email is sourcerer13@gmail.com and he’s happy to send a free PDF of the book to anyone who reaches out. The physical copy is available on Amazon, and the audio version is on Audible and Spotify. His website is awakenthesourcerer.com and he’s on Instagram at sorcerer_13.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction to Justin Shaw and Sourcery 101
0:37 Justin’s Background and Emotional Upbringing
3:50 Discovering Drugs and Alcohol in High School
5:14 Rehab, Addiction, and Spiritual Resistance
12:08 The Bliss Attack That Changed Everything
13:09 How the Book Sorcery 101 Was Born
14:33 Comedy as a Healing Mechanism
21:00 Source Energy and the Force From Star Wars
41:49 Spiritual Bankruptcy and Phone Addiction
43:23 How to Weaponize Trauma Into Personal Power
48:03 Intuition Over Instinct Explained
51:35 The 4-5-6 Breathing Method and Heart Centering
55:06 Anger as an Addictive Emotion
57:31 What Difficult Relationships Teach Us
1:00:46 Dismantling the One Size Fits All Healing Myth
1:02:25 Where to Find Justin Shaw and His Work
1:03:31 CeeJay’s Closing Reflections
Transcript
Ceejay Barnaby
[0:00]Join me today as I sit down with Justin L. Shaw, a mystical comedian and author
[0:08]Introduction to Justin’s Journey
Ceejay Barnaby
[0:04]of Sorcery 101, 13 Rungs to a Higher Elevation of Consciousness. From stand-up comedy to spiritual transformation, Justin shares a raw journey of overcoming addiction, trauma, and discovering the power of source energy. Listeners will learn how to alchemize their own emotions, break free from spiritual bankruptcy, and tap into their inner sorcerer. What if everything you thought was holding you back was actually preparing you?
Justin Shaw
[0:37]Yeah, so I like to kind of start a little bit with a little bit of my background. I’ve got it down to pretty lean 10, 12 minutes, so I won’t go on too long about it. But it’s important to know kind of, you know, when you’re dealing with people and their pain, it’s important that I want people to know that I have empathy rather than sympathy. Sympathy, you’re hearing the pain with them. Empathy, you’re actually feeling the pain with them. And um you know my my upbringing was you know that it was a um kind of an emotional vacuum, growing up i grew up it was just me and my mom most of the time and uh they were older parents when they had me my my dad mom worked together when they had me but there was a crack in the marriage around the time i came around which morphed into a canyon over the you know the years of my toddlerhood so uh they got divorced when i was uh younger and so it’s really just me and my mom um but even if i had my dad there he’s also an emotional vacuum so they neither one of these people are very good with the concept of love they don’t they don’t have a good understanding of it they’re not able to verbalize the word first of all so that was not a word i heard growing up and i had a very strange relationship with it i couldn’t say it like because i never heard it growing up.
Justin Shaw
[1:50]It was it made it so unfamiliar, this this concept of love, which is which is just, you know, it’s just critical. I mean, every human, you know, you know, babies in newborn clinics. Right. But in the 1920s, they found out that, you know, if if they didn’t hold the babies, they die. And if you think about if you think about the biological, that doesn’t biologically make sense. If you take care of something, you change the diapers, you feed it. Biologically, it does not make sense. it should be living. So like that says something about our nature and love. So it was a very important thing I missed growing up. And it led to a lot of issues. You know, my mom did. God bless her heart. I never like to talk bad about her. She she had a lot of things going on. She had she had a tough childhood and, you know, she she internalized her pain. She wasn’t the type and I’m grateful for this, you know, to some people like keep their pain and then they inflict the pain on others that was not my mother she kept it all in she focused all in on herself she was a kind person to other people but she just all in herself and so she’d have these depressive moods where you know she would go in and you know she’d she’d lock the door and you know be in a room and you know just and so i kind of had this upbringing where i kind of you know the tv wasn’t just you know a babysitter it was a full-blown parent so you know and that’s kind of when i got my my comedy shows and my kind of comedy thing kind of came together and i i loved laughing.
Justin Shaw
[3:19]And, you know, I found things that took me out of my pain. And pop culture, American pop culture is what did it for me, whether it was video games or movies or TV shows or sports or American pop culture was what took me out of my pain. So it is a massive part of who I am. It’s a massive part of the book. It’s a massive part of everything, because I believe the secrets of the universe
[3:44]The Power of Addiction
Justin Shaw
[3:41]are hidden in the nooks and crannies of pop culture. I truly believe that.
Ceejay Barnaby
[3:45]But laughter could only carry him so far.
Justin Shaw
[3:52]That’s what took me out of my pain growing up. And, you know, in, in high school, I found this other thing that took me out of my pain and that was drugs and alcohol. And so, you know, I didn’t start too early, which I’m very grateful for, you know, the, the developing human brain, you know, like starting, you know, drinking and smoking at age 12 and stuff. I’m very grateful that that didn’t happen for me. I was still very much a kid at 12. Um, but you know, 16, 17, it was 16, 16 is, is, I think that’s when my first drink and smoke. And so, you know, and once that happened, And, you know, it’s like this instant, like, oh, I want more of that because now I don’t feel, you know, like now I’m all this feeling that I had before is gone. And so I want more of that. So naturally, this is where addictive behavior comes in. You know, no one has addictive behavior that is not suffering. I can tell you that right now. It’s just addictive behavior doesn’t just happen. It is because the spiritual bankruptcy of someone and it, there is reasons for it, for it all, all.
[4:53]The Call of Spirituality
Justin Shaw
[4:53]So, and that certainly was the case for me. And so my twenties was a dumpster fire, just a, just a complete and total dumpster fire. Like it’s just, I spent time in jails and rehab centers and halfway houses, park benches. I mean, like I, it was truly dreadful. It was a dreadful time period of my life. And so I.
Justin Shaw
[5:14]I actually graduated college somehow and I was living in LA at the time and trying to do stand up comedy, but also had a massive drug and alcohol addiction. So I went to rehab and I went to rehab in California. And the first time I went to rehab, I just, this whole spiritual mumbo jumbo, I was not about. I was like, you know, you can keep all that. The reason I’m struggling, I know best. Okay. I know me. And the reason why I’m struggling is because I have all these drugs in my system. And I’m withdrawing, and I can’t, and I just need to be put away for a while, have these withdrawal symptoms go away within a week or 10 days or whatever it is, and then I’ll be fine because then I won’t be withdrawing, and I just won’t want to use drugs anymore, and I’ll go on with my life. Well, that lasted 90 days, which I’m actually surprised lasted that long.
Justin Shaw
[6:06]So there we go. Another couple of years of struggle. And so I came back in the second time and I kind of said, OK, maybe I don’t know everything. I’m going to listen to you guys now. What do you have to offer in terms of this whole spiritual thing? Because this was not really part of my life. I loved the paranormal. So that’s what kind of almost got me into my spiritual, spiritual, because I’ve always been a fan of the paranormal. I believe people’s stories. I don’t think that, you know, everyone is lying. You know, when they tell these fascinating stories of aliens and ghosts and
[6:43]The Role of Comedy
Justin Shaw
[6:40]I just, maybe some of them are, but there’s no way everyone’s lying. So um you know that kind of brought me into this whole kind of okay there’s something going on here that is not the materialist point of view there’s something else going on here and the paranormal is my introduction to that so i was like okay all right the spiritual thing let’s let’s let’s roll with this so i went to a a faith-based treatment center and it it was a christian based and you You know, so I did the Christian thing and the AA thing. You know, they really go hand in hand together because AA is built on a foundation of Christianity. It’s, you know, it’s disguised kind of Christianity.
Justin Shaw
[7:21]So they went really well together. And, you know, I was sober for about five or six years. Looking back on it now, I was living a really mediocre life. But that sure was better than the dumpster fire of my 20s where, you know, I was in jail. And so to me, I was living a great life because I didn’t understand that mediocrity is not as great as I can, is not, is not as high as I could go. Right. Like I thought mediocrity was as high as I could go. Cause it’s like, well, I’m not.
Justin Shaw
[7:49]You know, I’m not in jail, so therefore I’m doing pretty good. So that’s where kind of that whole thinking and belief system got me was a lot of mediocrity. And unfortunately, what happens, you know, to really shake the foundation and completely change me was my mother was pronounced terminally ill and about year six of sobriety. And you know the year that she was passing you know her body was falling apart her mind was falling apart to dementia the cancer so watching that was traumatic enough but this programming i had in my head from christianity saying that you know my mother was never went to never talked about god never went to church therefore she was a hell-bound heathen, um and that was the programming i had so so when i’d go visit her and this last year was, I mean, the trauma was amped up by a thousand times because…
Justin Shaw
[8:51]And that messes with you, right? Like that messes with you. Like my mother is going to be punished and poked and prodded by Satan for the rest of her life, like for eternity. Like I can’t, I can’t wrap my hand around my head around that because sure she had her issues, but I have my issues too. And like, I mean, come on, like, that’s just not right. So it was after she died that i really started questioning things so like unfortunately like her death i was still on board with the possibility that she was hellbound um but afterwards i really had to do some deep digging because because i had relapsed at that point i’d gone right back to drugs and alcohol um you know because what was supposed to help me through this the christianity failed me Miserably. Not only did it fail me, it was the reason it made everything worse.
Ceejay Barnaby
[9:41]At his lowest point, something unexpected began to crack open.
Justin Shaw
[9:47]So I decided, you know, to maybe start investigating things. And I found out that Christianity is like this beautiful metaphorical mansion, right? This metaphorical mansion. Like when I first got in to Christianity in AA and I moved into this mansion, right? Like 17 bedrooms and they got 16 bathrooms and there’s a game room and there’s like, you know, there’s a pool and there’s a bowling alley and like everything you possibly want is in this mansion. But when you move into the mansion and you’re there for a while, you realize that part of the deal with living in the mansion is you can’t leave the mansion. You’re not allowed to. That’s kind of leaving the mansion is, you know, investigating other religions, doing things outside the box of the conformity of Christianity. These are not OK. These, you know, they tell you that it’s death and destruction. There’s a zombie apocalypse outside of the mansion. You don’t want to go out there. You know, the programming. Right.
Justin Shaw
[10:40]And the problem with this mansion is that it’s also built on a cracked foundation of fear, judgment, and control. So for me, the mansion, some people live in the mansion the whole lives without it crumbling. But for me, it crumbled with my mom. And so I had no choice but to leave the mansion because it had crumbled. The foundation was cracked and it just fell down. So I left and found out that life is beautiful outside of the mansion. There’s all these things I’ve learned. You know, I replaced my pastor with a shaman and he helped me through meditation, starting to question beliefs, both in adulthood through Christianity and through my childhood limiting beliefs that were kind of placed in there before the age of seven, that, you know, society kind of placed in there that, you know, you’re not good enough. You’re not worthy you’re not that great you can’t accomplish whatever you want you know those kind of things that we don’t even we’re not even aware are there so I started mining my subconscious and, one day I had a bliss attack and that’s the only thing I can call it is it’s it was a bliss attack and it was like um you know I wasn’t meditating at the time I was just I just got home from a gym and I was stretching and it was like three hours of just these waves of bliss and love. Like it was like a panic attack if you replace panic with love. And it was just three hours of this.
Justin Shaw
[12:09]And I also was getting, like, downloads from the universe. And I realized my entire life I had spent in airplane mode. And at this moment, I had been turned off airplane mode. And all the messages started coming in. All the texts and emails and phone calls and all that stuff started coming in to my mind and heart and spirit. And I knew these were truths because of how I was feeling at the time. I knew whatever I was being told in this moment was truth.
Ceejay Barnaby
[12:37]From that moment, everything changed, and Justin began building something, a map for others to follow.
Justin Shaw
[12:45]You know, it was fascinating. And after that, like things were different and, you know, and I’ve had several of them since then. And, uh, one of them was for the book, the book, which is, which is essentially a blueprint or a map for other people to have their own bliss attacks. And so that’s where the whole concept of the book came in and how to structure it. And all these amazing things all came during a bliss attack. And so I can’t predict them. I don’t know. I don’t, I can’t force them. I can’t, I’m not at this stage where I can like, okay i’m gonna go have a bliss attack right now like they come randomly they’re they’re very they’re just they just i can’t meditate my way into them they just show up and it’s just it’s the craziest thing but i know what’s happening when it’s going on because like i can’t like it’s very obvious.
Justin Shaw
[13:32]But you know that’s when i realized we’re surrounded and the book is called sorcery 101 it’s spelled with a u because it’s not about you know wizards and and and you know hooded robes and cauldrons and stuff. It’s not that kind of sorcery. It’s spelled with a U because it’s source energy. Source energy is what surrounds and binds the universe together. And explaining source energy to someone is like explaining water to a fish, which is a very difficult concept, but I imagine for a fish to understand, like, what is water? Like, explaining that to a fish would be difficult. And so explaining that to a person is just as difficult. But I can tell you that once you’re the fish that sees the water, all you want to do is go around and tell other fish about the water. And that is what happened with me. So that in a nutshell is kind of, yeah, what happened.
[14:28]Finding Bliss
Ceejay Barnaby
[14:25]Look, there’s so many great nuggets of information in there that people need to hear. And I love the way you put metaphors around them that make them more accessible as well. So during your journey there, how did comedy serve you as a healing mechanism as a part of your recovery process?
Justin Shaw
[14:44]Yeah, it is. I mean, it is the healing mechanism, I think. And, you know, there’s just so much healing in laughter. So I like to tell, you know, like I say like I’m a mystical comedian because I’m no longer interested in just making people laugh. Laughter is a big component of who I am, but I also want to make them think and feel as well. So laugh, think, feel. And those three things equals growth. So when you laugh think feel your way through something uh you have now absorbed that information better than if you know you were absorbing it in a different energy maybe like a more fear-based energy or or a concentrated energy if you’re like laughing it’s it’s it’s going to be absorbed better.
Justin Shaw
[15:35]So like i said before you know the the that’s where the the comedy had come in was it was an escape to my pain it was you know that the the early 90s when I really first discovered comedy I you know you know here in America at the time you know Saturday Night Live I would stay up late and watch Saturday Night Live when I wasn’t supposed to at you know eight or nine years old and that was that was this that was the greatest cast ever that was that was Adam Sandler Chris Farley David Spade Chris Rock Phil Hartman Dana Carvey like it was just it was the greatest lineup of SNL ever and I would stay up late and watch them and then like emulate them and I would kind of see their mannerisms and start you know pretending to do that and and like i found i had kind of a knack for it so you know it was it was just all those things that growing up at the time because we didn’t have content okay so all these kids don’t understand now they have all these things to watch well in the in the 90s we did not have all these things there’s no streaming there’s i mean the cable is very limited so the amount of content and programming that we had to choose from was very limited, so when, When I would find something I liked, I would just watch it over and over.
Ceejay Barnaby
[16:43]That’s right. And it was time-locked. So you’re like, I know when that’s coming, and I’ve got to watch it at that time.
Justin Shaw
[16:48]Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The cable. Yeah, right. Exactly. Yeah. And it’s just… So I would find something I liked, and Jim Carrey was always my hero, and I loved Jim Carrey movies, and Ace Ventura, and The Simpsons. And so I’d tape these things, and then watch them later, because it was like, I found something that I liked. And I would rather watch something I liked, you know, five times rather than something I’m just okay with once. So I just keep watching these things over and over and it just programmed it into and so that it made me funny. I made myself funny by watching these things over and over and over again.
Justin Shaw
[17:23]So, yeah, it’s and I have found that it’s it’s just it’s it’s a way to have people kind of put their guard down. So you can only accept believe and surrender to a concept by the energy that you’re currently in if that makes sense um so you know like i like to use the the doctor analogy so if you’re this is this is the more negative aspect i like i’m the positive aspect of this but you know if a doctor comes in and says you know i’ve got bad news you’ve got cancer well okay so right now that news right there has put fear into their psyche into the heart and mind and then they ask the question well how long do i have and they’re only willing to accept believe and surrender to whatever matches the energy they are currently in so when the doctor says six months they accept that as their reality because that sounds that that’s depressing because they’re already in a depressed mood so they want more depressed stuff it’s like anger junkies they’re just trying to get other people angry and feed their anger and so you’re only going to accept believe and surrender to the energy that you’re currently in so.
Justin Shaw
[18:32]Flip that around to the positive. And that’s, that’s where I,
[18:37]The Importance of Shadow Work
Justin Shaw
[18:36]that’s where the sorcery comes in. So it’s, it’s, it’s having people, you know, be open to these ideas by making them laugh. And by making them laugh, they’re more open to these ideas. So that, yeah, that is the importance of comedy in this whole thing. Source energy. Source is the force. I write in every book that I sign, may the source be with you because it is, it is the same thing. So it is the exact. i made that up isn’t that clever um so yeah because it is the same thing uh source is the force and so obi-wan describes it purposely he says the force is what gives a jedi or sorcerer their power it is an energy field created by all living things it surrounds us penetrates us and binds the galaxy together and so that’s a direct quote from that’s obi-wan kenobi saying that in very first star wars to to luke and try and explain what the force is but that’s that’s it and when i and when this thing happened to me that’s when i realized george look he’s the force is real i.
Ceejay Barnaby
[19:40]Mean the source nowadays would be pretty much um being re-labeled to be the field which
Justin Shaw
[19:47]Everyone calls the field that’s the science term the quantum field unified field yeah that’s Yeah, but it’s, you know, religion, we’ll call it God, you know, they call it chi, prana, but it’s all the same thing. And so, but the field is, that’s the science name for it. Yeah, but it’s all the same thing.
Ceejay Barnaby
[20:05]Justin didn’t heal himself. He built a system, a framework he calls the rungs of healing. And the first rung is the one most people have never heard of.
Justin Shaw
[20:15]You know, the first one is the most important one. So it’s probably, I would say it can be the most difficult and that’s shadow work. And the shadow is something that most people are completely ignorant about or unaware of. You know, I found amongst struggling people the the most common denominator is a lack of awareness and so we all have, a shadow and it’s generally created some people’s shadows are dormant maybe you had a great childhood haven’t experienced much trauma as an adult your your shadow is dormant it’s it’s it’s there but it is you know you know a trauma can bring it bring in you know like if you had no childhood trauma and you had a great adulthood and all of a sudden your husband dies, you know the shadow is going to start you know it’s going to start messing with you.
Justin Shaw
[21:07]Um so it is there and it’s important to know it’s there in all of us and it’s it’s the side so i like to say it’s it’s like driving a car and and and i have had the shadow in each one of these positions throughout my entire life so if the shadow is driving the car it’s going to drive it off a cliff every time every time it’s going to aim for the cliff and drive it off a cliff and that was my 20s that was my 20s it was it i was aimed for the cliff and it was jails and rehabs and and park benches and i couldn’t function i couldn’t get a job i couldn’t hold on unfunctional so we know these people homeless people i mean they said this they’re out there and so when the shadow is driving the car their shadow is just driving they’re not aware of it but the shadow is.
Justin Shaw
[21:55]Now, when I got sober and I did the Christian standing, the shadow moved to the passenger seat, which is better than it driving the car because it’s not going to drive it off a cliff. But it’s still heavily involved in your life. A passenger, you’re thinking, you know, when you’re in a car, they’re talking back and forth. And so it’s that voice talking to me was that voice of mediocrity. It was this voice of… Who are you? What do you think you can just do? No, you’re not special. You can’t do these things. You’re not enough. You’re not good enough. All these things. And from the Christian point of view, hell and the fear and damnation. And Jesus is going to come back and rapture us. And he’s going to pick all his favorites and to hell with the rest of them. And so that was part of my shadow too, these fear-based beliefs and these limiting beliefs, fear-based beliefs and limiting beliefs. And they would talk to me in the passenger seat and hold me back from true potential.
[22:53]Transforming Trauma
Ceejay Barnaby
[22:54]Once you face the shadow, the next rung is transformation itself.
Justin Shaw
[23:00]Where you want the shadow, you can’t kick it out of the car. It’s not possible. Has to go in the back seat. That’s where you want it. And that’s where it is for me now. It’s like, you know, you check on the kid in the back seat, you know, like you got, got your little bag of Cheerios back there, kiddo. You know, like, is the AC okay? You know, like, is there anything I can get you? Like, check on it. Yep, yep, I’m good. But most of the time, you know, anyone in the backseat, they’re just chilling, looking out the window, hanging out. They’re not, most of the time, they’re not real involved in the conversation. They’re just there.
Justin Shaw
[23:30]And that’s where you want your shadow. So I like to say, I love to say, you know, one of the things I came up with was that I’m a little bit Deepak and a little bit Tupac. And that really sums me up really well. Like that, I don’t know where that came from. That was like, there’s all kinds of stuff in the book that I have no idea, it came from the field. It certainly didn’t come from me. But that’s one of those things, it’s like, that’s too clever for me to come up with. But that’s it, it’s the divine and the shadow. It’s the reactor, the shadow, and the responder, which is the sorcerer. You know, you become the responder over the reactor, you know, and it’s a slow process. But it’s a concept that I think people will struggle with the first. They have no idea the shadow thing, the two sides of us. And, you know, the natives would say, you know, we have a light wolf and a dark wolf that lives in us all. That’s what they say. And the one that dominates is the one you feed most. So, you know, like if you’re feeding yourself, you know, trash TV and, you know, like a lot of, you know, anger and hate on the news and you’re feeding these things, you know, you’re feeding your dark wolf and it’s going to come out your personality.
Ceejay Barnaby
[24:42]I’m just at the tail end of a shadow work course by Gordon White of Rune Soup called The Shaman’s Devil, which actually goes right into all of the deep shadow stuff. It’s based around the book No Bad Parts by Richard Swartz and other notable people in the IFS sort of field. And it has, like, I went in thinking, I’ve probably got something to work on, but I’m not really sure. And because of the depth of the course, it pulled everything out. And I’m like, it feels like my head’s spinning around. Basically, everything blew up. And interestingly, as a part of doing it, I found that the parts in me that wanted to distract everything and keep everything down started to manifest all this work for me that kept me super busy and distracted at the same time. I was like, come on.
Justin Shaw
[25:40]That’s how it works. That’s how it works.
Ceejay Barnaby
[25:42]That’s weird, right? That’s weird. Because it actually has the sorcery power. It actually does start manifesting things in reality to… Keep it all in alignment in the way they like. But, you know, once you start to talk to those parts and settle them down, then things start to get easier. Now, as a part of the work, how does a person recognize they’re experiencing a spiritual bankruptcy?
Justin Shaw
[26:09]Yeah, you have really good questions. Well done. So it will manifest in different forms. And the fascinating part is it’s all the same thing. So it will manifest in forms of anxiety, depression, autoimmune disorders. There’s a lot of physical things, cancer. It could be addiction and addiction to anything. The biggest addictions I see now, it’s no longer drugs and alcohol. It’s the phone and food. Those are the biggest ones here in America.
Justin Shaw
[26:44]And they’re not conscious of the fact that because these are things we have to use. Every but but they can also be abused like we have to use the phone we have to eat food but they can be really abused and and that’s that’s what i’m seeing the most of and people aren’t recognizing it because it’s like well it’s like i can’t not use my phone well but you can regulate it and not abuse it um so those are the best things to look for for spiritual bankruptcy you And the phone is a great one because it’s so universally used. And if you can’t put your phone down for an extended period of time and just be… That is your soul calling out to you that there’s healing that’s needed. Because if you’re constantly being a human doing, then you can never be a human being. And so if you’re struggling being a human being, then that is your soul saying there’s an issue. And obviously, the obvious ones, of course, are drugs and alcohol. And they’re not manageable. You’re getting fired from work. And those are really obvious ones. But the sneaky ones, like food and the phone, kind of go under the radar and they go unnoticed. And so, you know, because you can manage your life by being…
Justin Shaw
[28:07]Dramatically addicted to food and, and the phone. Whereas, whereas drugs and alcohol are a bit different. You show up drunk at work and, you know, you’re inebriated, you’re going to get fired and you’re, you’re not functional and, you know, the drugs, you know, mess you up. And so, but the food and the phone don’t do that. If you’re abusing the phone and food, that’s your soul telling you there’s, there’s an issue and all those other things too, depression, anxiety, all, you know, they’re all labeled. They want to say, you know, you know, go see a doctor for, you know get some pills for your anxiety go see it you know go talk therapy for your depression you know go to aa meetings for your alcoholism go to na meetings for your uh you know your drug addiction and you know keep them all separate and because they’re all different things it’s not true they’re all the same thing and they can all be that’s what sorcery is it’s not for drug and alcohol addiction it’s it’s just for you know like i suffer from drug and alcohol addiction i suffer from gambling addiction i suffer from you know anxiety depression just ended it i suffer Just end it there. That’s all that matters.
[29:05]Recognizing Spiritual Bankruptcy
Ceejay Barnaby
[29:05]What radical steps would you recommend for a digital detox then? I mean, obviously, people need to actually recognize when they’re picking their phone up just with the excuse of, oh, I just got to check that. Do you know what I mean? And doing that a thousand times a day is ridiculous. But that’s what people do because we’re pretty much chained to these devices nowadays through all the apps and attention-seeking notifications. What would you suggest to people to help them to break free of that?
Justin Shaw
[29:32]Well, have, you know, have phone times and places, you know, uh, the car should always be a non-phone time. If you’re using the phone in the car, that’s, that’s a big no-no. That’s like, why are you using the phone in the car? Like, don’t, don’t, there’s no need. Like, there’s nothing that needs that pressing. So have spaces and times. Where, you know, like in the mornings, like you wake up, I need to get the emails done. And, you know, like I like to, you know, go through emails before I meditate because then it’s like out of my mind. And then I put it away. And so it’s just it’s it’s it’s creating that healthy experience. And every phone now has screen time on it. Obviously, jobs come in and they make things a little bit more difficult. And, you know, like if you’re if you’re if you’re at a job where you have to be on your phone. OK. But you know a lot of these jobs that you’re on the phone are you know are not hourly jobs where you can be on they kind of bleed into your life and then they you know the phone starts taking over and all of a sudden now if you’re including you know all the times that you’re on the phone for for work and it’s so now you’re working like 80 hours a week you know because because you’ve you’ve you’ve bled that time into and you think you’re being productive but really you’re just wearing yourself out.
Justin Shaw
[30:48]And burnout comes really quickly people think they’re going eventually it catches up, And here’s the problem with the technology. If you’re constantly in a convergent focus, which is what we’re in right now, and it’s what most people learn most of the day, you’re playing with the kids, you’re doing work right now, our focus has converged on something worldly. The only way to truly grow and to blossom as a human is to, once in a while, every day, certainly for me, i get in the divergent focus which is a broadening of the focus and what happens when you do this every single day first of all you gain superpowers like i can read people like i i immediately i know who people are i know what they’re struggling with i know that they’ve gone through childhood trauma it’s all in this this aura field and i get people’s and this is this is the superpower that happened after i’ve been meditating for five years now or something but it happens over a long time and you start to have, you know, they’re not superpowers. I can’t fly, but they are superpowers. And so, you know, getting in this divergent focus, it’s like, It’s like if you go up to a brick wall and you stand at the brick wall with your nose on the brick wall, all you’re going to see is like a blurry shade of red. So that’s the convergent focus we’re constantly in.
Justin Shaw
[32:17]That’s representative of the convergent focus. Well, if you take a step back, now you see that it’s a brick. All right, let’s take another step back. Now you see there’s bricks stacked on top of each other. Okay, let’s take another step back. You kind of see, well, okay, this is a wall. Take another step back. This wall is attached to something. And then you go even further back and you see what was originally just a shade of blurry red is actually a magnificent castle. And now you’ve reached a divergent focus. So that is one of the most important things for people to understand about the technology abuse is essentially you’re constantly telling the creator of the universe, Source Energy, that you’re busy all the time. And sometimes we are busy. That’s okay. Source Energy is not going to talk to us when we’re busy because we’re busy. We’re not paying attention.
Justin Shaw
[33:03]But if you don’t take time and pay attention and just be, then you’re not going to get these messages and you’re not going to get the guidance that you should be getting. So that is the most critical thing when you’re when you’re dealing with technologies. Start meditating, like start taking time. And if that’s hard and you’re you’re thinking about your phone during your meditation, keep going because I was there. And eventually it starts to get less and less. And you it’s it’s time. it’s rewiring it’s neuroplasticity it’s rewiring the brain which takes time time is an illusion you know this the the uh old the sage spear you know the whole world is in stage and all the women merely players well time is like a prop on this stage we have to pretend it’s real but you know it’s not uh but it it is part of.
Justin Shaw
[33:58]You know bolts us down to reality so so things take time and that’s that’s the most important thing when you’re when you’re trying to rewire and you’re trying to change you’re trying to create something new you’re trying to transform it’s not going to happen overnight it’s not and it’s just not so so to stick with the course but the change will happen and i always tell people don’t give up before the miracle happens and the miracle happens when you have programmed yourself with the ideas of like what success looks like and so that is that is now your rope that is now your road so that’s the road you naturally go down i was programmed for failure so it took a long time for me to like to program myself for success, But once you program yourself for success, that’s the automatic road that you go down. It’s just whatever – you’re going to choose the successful option no matter
[34:52]The Path to Healing
Justin Shaw
[34:50]what because you’re programmed for success. So whatever options come up, you’re going to always choose the successful one because you’re programmed for that as opposed to before you’re programmed for failure.
Ceejay Barnaby
[34:59]Now, recently I got a new phone and I thought to myself, well, do I really need email on it? And I just didn’t even install the email. I was like, I don’t care anymore. And, you know, because it’s just an extra thing that’s going to get my attention. Do I really need to have that many things telling me about things that are happening anywhere else in the world? I mean, I’m right here. If something’s important, they’ll call me.
Justin Shaw
[35:21]I get 102 emails a day and probably three are actually important. Yeah.
Ceejay Barnaby
[35:26]So that’s where I was at too. I was like, I don’t care about this stuff that much. I can wait until I get back to my computer to do stuff later. Yeah, absolutely.
Justin Shaw
[35:34]That’s great. I like that. I don’t have that, but I like that.
Ceejay Barnaby
[35:39]Yeah. And now I also run my phone most of the time on really low volume and really low notifications. So sometimes I might miss something, but I don’t care.
Justin Shaw
[35:50]Notifications is a big one. And that’s the one I like to tell people to turn off all notifications because every app is going to ping you and say, hey, check me. You haven’t checked me in a while. Every app is going to do that. And they’re going to have those little red bubbles to cause you stress and anxiety. It’s like, oh, I got to get rid of that. I got to get rid of that red bubble. you know like so it’s gonna mess with you so turn off all notify all you know other than like text and call you need but everything else turn off so yeah that there’s there’s tricks that and they know how the human mind works in the subconscious all these tech companies they’re very aware and so they’re programming you you’re being programmed um so awareness again key how can.
Ceejay Barnaby
[36:29]Someone weaponize their trauma into personal power instead of letting it control them.
Justin Shaw
[36:35]Yeah. It’s alchemy and what one of the one of the things is is you know the one of the rungs is is emotional alchemy and the concept of alchemy of course is you know to taking gold or taking you know um lead and base metals and turning it into gold and silver and expensive metals so so it’s a you know it’s a it’s a thing for actual sorcerers in medieval time you know it’s science says it’s not sure but you know what science can be kind of boring sometimes let’s uh you know but emotional alchemy it is very possible because i do it every day and so that is you know that’s taking your trauma and alchemizing it into wisdom so and the process of that is is is simple to understand but hard to do so when you alchemize your trauma into wisdom you have disconnected the emotional response from the memory. So, and once you do that, your trauma can no longer, is no longer in charge of your life. It does not, trauma, you become your trauma if you’re not aware of it. And when you alchemize the trauma, it turns into wisdom. Your trauma turns into wisdom. You’ve learned you’re a wiser person because of it, but it’s not controlling your life. So.
[38:00]Alchemizing Trauma into Wisdom
Justin Shaw
[38:01]And doing that is, again, there’s no simple solution for alchemizing trauma into wisdom. It’s just, it’s a matter of becoming conscious and aware of your shadow, because that’s going to be a part of your shadow. These traumas and things that cause reactions over responses. Look for your reactions. That’s key. Look at things that make you react, because that’s all part of your shadow. If you’re reacting and not responding, there’s something that needs attention. And so that’s all part of alchemizing your trauma into wisdom because you will no longer, react to things you will respond do that and you’re able to disconnect this this emotional charge with the memory like when you’re able to actually do that and it takes time and effort and and really getting at it and it takes you know crossing you know on the other side of fear is freedom. But, you know, that wall of fear looks, you know, it’s an illusionary wall, but it looks like, you know, a fortress, but it’s illusionary, but it looks like a fortress. So getting through that and the other side is, is, is freedom. So.
Justin Shaw
[39:10]That’s all part of growth and going through and alchemizing that trauma into wisdom. And it just takes time and effort. But it’s easy to compare to a physical injury. If you break your arm and you don’t go to the doctor and it doesn’t heal properly, it’s going to be sore forever. Because you did not get it set. It didn’t heal properly.
Justin Shaw
[39:42]So you’re always going to be aware of your arm, right? Like you’re always going to be kind of, you know, don’t touch my arm.
[39:52]Daily Practices for Connection
Justin Shaw
[39:49]You know, like it’s sore. It’s messed up. Don’t touch my arm. And so it’s the same thing for emotional trauma. So like you’re holding these emotional traumas. And when someone does touch the arm, there’s a reaction. And that’s the same thing with emotional trauma. It’s like they touch something. They touch the spot. And then you react out of, you know, nothing. That’s why you see all these people and they get, it just sucks. They get, you know, like recorded at their worst moments. You know, the whole Karen thing. I feel so bad for all the ladies out there actually named Karen. I apologize for that right now, ladies. But like it’s seeing these things and these, you know, these people having these horrible instances right in front. It has nothing to do with the cashier at Target. It’s nothing. You know, like that cashier has, you know, like they’re having a bad day and they hit a nerve and now they’re taking the energy that they’ve harbored against the father that left them at five years old out on the cashier. And so that is, that is the importance of healing.
Ceejay Barnaby
[40:53]Do you have any practical exercises from your sorcery system that you’d like to share that listeners can implement immediately?
Justin Shaw
[41:00]Oh yeah, it’s the most important thing that, You can learn as a human being. And I have no problem telling this one because this is just information everyone should know. And actually, you know, I’ll provide my email if people – I’ll send a free copy of the book if people are interested in it because I just like to get the information out there. But it’s – it is intuition over instinct. And our lives – so I have to explain this a little bit. But, you know, our lives are dictated by that instinct. And instinct is different than intuition. They’re not the same thing. Everyone uses them interchangeably. They’re not the same thing. Instinct is a fear-based reaction. And it’s very good. It’s not a bad thing at all. If you’re walking home from work and you see a car coming towards you and there’s a guy with a gun hanging out pointed at you, this is an instinctual moment that I need to run and duck and dive and get out of here, run, just whatever it takes. That is your instinctual reaction.
Justin Shaw
[42:01]You don’t, you know, you’re not going to sit there and get heart centered and meditate and think, what should I do in this moment? You know, like we need instinct. It was there from the time of the, you know, the saber tooth tigers and the lions and the bears. It’s just the problem is coworkers and in-laws have become the bears and lions. They’re the things we fear that are creating the same things in us that the bears and lions created. But we’re also so we’re pressing the gas and the brake at the same time so that’s really bad for engines and it’s really bad for us so that instinct you know and i use the card you know once someone gets home from you know having a drive-by shooting they’re traumatized so you know and from that day forward you know you know they still need to walk home from work they need to take that same route but so every car that approaches they’re going to be hyper focused and they’re going to be looking for a gun. They’re going to be ready to jump into the bush. They’re going to get home, close the door, and never want to leave. And that cycle can continue, and people will live very limited lives because of an overactive instinct.
Justin Shaw
[43:12]So the way to get over an overactive instinct is to get in touch with your intuition. And your intuition is your higher self. It is the player character on the other side. it is the observer. It is you, uh, you know, the said the observer, the, uh, so we’re, you know, this body is the computer. My mind is, you know, like the software who you are and I am and everyone, you know, we’re the person on the computer, you know, our bodies, the computer, and mine is a software, but we’re the person on the computer. And so that is your key. And so to do that, and I, and I go over the book that just to explain how, uh, to never make a wrong decision again it is it’s it’s it’s a bit like a gps you know source will you there is no really wrong decisions we make source will recalculate your route but you know the easier softer route is the best way to go always you know like we’re gonna get there but, why recalculate why make a wrong turn if you don’t have to and the way that is the intuition And so you have to clear your mind. I like to do four, five, six breaths. So there’s five, four, five, six, four in, hold five, out six. And do that five times because you have to have your mind clear.
Justin Shaw
[44:32]And once your mind is clear, you can now ask it questions. Place your hand in your heart because you want the answer coming from your heart, not your mind. And, you know, the mind thinks, but the heart knows. so that is that is that is where you you’re asking you want your your answer coming from here, and once you start playing with it and you ask yes or no questions closed-handed questions, you know you you can get a sense of what yes is what no is you know you need to get a sense for that what does that sound like it’s you know some people you might hear something you might i get kind of like you know the word in my mind kind of thing every everyone’s different so you need to get a source for your like yes or no what does that sound like but then you start asking a question and over 30 days you just ask it just whatever questions should i go meet my brother for lunch should i you know go run this errand like you know just ask it really menial things and get a sense for it and then you can ask a beggar questions and it will guide you every time you ask a question this is this is how you know the answer you ask a question and before you finish the question the answer will be there before you even finish the question that is the answer that provides the easiest softest route.
Justin Shaw
[45:46]And you can now we want to be like, no, like, because the answer is there for everybody. You could do this. I swear, like you can ask a question that you’ve been wondering about. You’ll get an answer immediately. And your first thing is going to be like, I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it. So now you’re going to run this whole thing through your mind. Is that real? Is that accurate? Is that so? So the key is then to just trust. Trust that that answer is the answer and keep moving forward and develop trust. And you can do this over like 30 days. and now my intuition guides me and you know it’s it i’m on my best path because of it but it’s the most important skill as a human we should be learning it should be taught in schools around the world around the every human should should know how to do this it like get in touch with your heart and listen to that voice so that is that is definitely the number one thing out of there.
Ceejay Barnaby
[46:40]Yeah, thanks for that. It would actually make for a beautifully, spiritually engaged society if people did that too.
Justin Shaw
[46:46]Oh yeah, could you imagine? We’d have a utopia.
Ceejay Barnaby
[46:49]Absolutely. How does one differentiate between responding versus reacting in challenging situations?
Justin Shaw
[46:57]So, and it’s going to be obvious. And for people with anger issues, they’re reacting. And so how you know you’re growing is very fascinating. Because for me, I come across situations where I realize I’m responding instead of reacting. And it’s really interesting. It’s like, this is a scenario and you’ll know, you’ll know in that scenario, it’s like, this is a scenario I used to react to, but I’m not reacting and I feel better. I’m not angry and I’m not pissing people off. And so you’re going to know because, because the reaction is always negative. It’s always going to end up in a negative form of some sort. You’re going to, you know, people are going to, you know, think of you what they will, or you’re going to say something and you’re going to do something you regret. That’s reacting. So it’s very obvious, the reactors. But when you start responding, you start reacting.
Justin Shaw
[48:03]Just realizing you’re responding. And that’s the really fun part is like, you’re like, I am growing. This is the situation in which I would have definitely reacted. And yet here I am, cool, calm, collected, handling the situation and responding. And those are the greatest moments. When I first started having those like a couple of years ago and like really was doing the deep work, it was just the coolest thing. It was just like, wow, this is one of those situations.
Justin Shaw
[48:33]And so it’s just it’s it’s very obvious the reactors out there and and there’s the and the anger is is the biggest one you know and it’s it’s the biggest problem it’s and and anger is extremely addicting it is an addicting emotion highly addictive it’s a very unpleasant high but it’s a high nonetheless and so people chase that high so so people continue will stay in the reactionary mode and not even realize that they’re feeding an addiction so and and i lived with a woman that’s very addicted to anger and she would try to find things that made her angry because she wasn’t she wasn’t feeling angry so something in her psyche was she was in a very abusive relationship before so and and this relationship ended for me it was not not a fun time but but it was an amazing And this is one of those things that you’ll see that’s like, okay, this was really painful at the time, but now I see why I went through this. And seeing her with her anger addiction and trying to find things that weren’t true or that were very menial or trivial to create an argument and feel high. And that is the reacting. So, you know, you’ll know. But once you start healing… It’s so cool. Yeah, it really is so cool.
Ceejay Barnaby
[50:00]I can totally relate to that. One of my exes was very much like that. And she was very addicted to anger and would stir up things and then stare me in the face as like, I’m wanting your reaction.
Justin Shaw
[50:13]They love it. It’s chaos. Yeah. I totally love it. They’re addicted to the chaos. Yeah.
Ceejay Barnaby
[50:18]Yeah. Yeah. But I was already moving into that, you know, like Teflon sort of awareness where I was like, oh, things just wash off. Yeah. you know i can still stay calm in this it
Justin Shaw
[50:28]Doesn’t matter but you learn so much from it right like i mean even though that was sucked at the time and afterwards and you go through the breakup and the whole that whole thing i mean my mine was traumatizing while i was in the relationship and then it was traumatizing after the relationship but but then but now that i’ve healed it’s like i’m really grateful for that relationship because i learned so much from her so that is, that that’s again that’s something that my intuition had i been had i known about this my intuition would have guided me away from her and said, this is not right. And it would have guided me away. But it recalculated the route. And so it recalculated it and said, well, you’re still going to get there. We’re going to recalculate this. You’re going to learn something from it. But you could have been in touch with your intuition and avoided the whole thing.
Ceejay Barnaby
[51:11]What daily practices help you maintain your spiritual connection?
Justin Shaw
[51:17]My meditation and yoga is the biggest one. working out to, um, physical activity is huge. Uh, if you, you need to look at your, your health, like a, like a sandcastle, you know, you can, you can, you can see these, these amazing, you know, have these competitions out in California where they have these crazy, amazing sandcastles, just incredible sandcastles. But, you know, after, after day, you can laugh today, a couple of days and it’ll, it’ll be okay. But it, you know, it starts to dwindle after week and after two weeks, it’s almost unrecognizable and that’s kind of what happens with with health it just starts to dwindle away for not maintaining it so you can get to the peak but if you’re not maintaining it it’s just gonna fall apart so, uh physical activities nutrition physical activity but every day i start my day with yoga and meditation i have these apps now i do it in my living room 20 minutes or 30 minutes of yoga somehow you get the body loosened up and your meditation is 10 times better if you do yoga before meditation your meditation will be like way better because something about loosening up and yoga is meditative too and it just brings this energy and then i’m able to sit down and actually to do a guided meditation for about half an hour. So it’s about an hour that it takes for me to feel not insane.
Justin Shaw
[52:35]I wake up every day, and my focus is just retrieving my sanity. I wake up, it’s just like, okay, I’ve got to retrieve my sanity somehow. And that’s how I do it. So, yeah, that is the most important. You don’t have to work out every day. Nutrition is something you need to keep track of every day. But yoga and meditation is something I do every single day. And all these things come together. It is mind, body, spirit. And that is the trifecta that must be taking care of all three. So taking away from one will take away from the other two. When you’re taking care of one, it will take care of the other two. So you have to pay respect individually and equally to all three of those things. And that is where healing lies.
[53:22]Misconceptions About Healing
Ceejay Barnaby
[53:22]What misconception about healing do you most want to dismantle
Justin Shaw
[53:26]That one size fits all yeah that’s that’s the biggest one like and that’s why i created like the book and the sorcery is like it’s all very new and you’re by i’d love it it’s it has potential but it’s you know it’s.
Justin Shaw
[53:40]You know, here in America, you go and it’s just, you’ve got this route of, like, I went in rehab, they try to get you on this, you know, that’s the route that works, religion and AA, and that’s what, that’s the route that they try to get you on, because that’s the route that is supposed to work. But one size doesn’t fit all and that’s because it you know that did and it did it did work for a time until it did so you know it it doesn’t work for everybody there is no one size fits all when it comes to trauma there just isn’t and so that’s a that’s a massive understanding you know people go in with kids that are wayward kids and you know they listen to the doctors and they’re not really thinking for themselves and just say well the doctor says AA is what’s best for you so therefore that’s what’s best for you and it’s just, That may not, you know, if they’re religiously traumatized, like so many, you know, they’re going to walk into AA, they’re going to see the 12 steps, they’re going to start feeling, it’s going to start feeling like church again, they’re going to start getting freaked out and they’ll leave. I don’t know how many people have not gotten sober because they are, they don’t vibe with, you know, the religious foundation of AA. So it’s one, one size does not fit all. And that is, that is the biggest thing I want people to know.
[54:57]Closing Thoughts and Resources
Ceejay Barnaby
[54:57]Excellent. so justin we’ve come towards the end of the podcast how can people find you and your work
Justin Shaw
[55:05]Yeah so there’s uh i believe the book is on amazon i’ve also recorded an audio which is fun because i get to tell my own jokes and do voices in it so that’s really cool so it’s on audible i think it’s on spotify it’s also on the website which is awaken the sorcerer.com spelt with a u, and um i was off social media for five years which again it was that something that really worked well for me was was in 2020 when everything was just nasty with coven the politics i just deleted all my social media and it was just wonderful i’m back on social media now and i’m using it in a better way and it’s it’s very it’s a very different relationship i have with it now five years later but i’m on instagram it’s the only one i’ll do because i have facebook ptsd but it’s it’s sorcerer underscore 13 with a u so sorcerer underscore 13 on instagram and then my email is sorcerer13 at gmail and if you want a copy of the the book i will gladly send you a pdf uh because i just want the information out there that’s the that’s the most important thing but if you want a physical copy it’s on amazon it’s on the website it’s there uh and it’s fun, not a shorter read for sure i.
Ceejay Barnaby
[56:11]I’m gonna actually hit you up for that book so yeah i’ll read it now and um yeah thanks for so much for sharing your your understanding and your uh I would say like your reframing of this connection to the intuition and the field and the importance of that as a part of our everyday life when it comes to healing and moving on those shadow parts that stop us from being fully effective. It’s been a pleasure. I’ve really enjoyed our conversation.
Justin Shaw
[56:41]Yeah, no, it’s been great. This is my favorite part, being people like you. And it’s just fun, whole thing.
Ceejay Barnaby
[56:46]All right. Thank you very much.
Justin Shaw
[56:48]Thank you.
Ceejay Barnaby
