Are you ready to unlock the power of your intuition and tap into your higher self? In this enlightening episode of Supernormalized, host CeeJay Barnaby sits down with Mariana Cooper, an intuitive expert and author, to explore the fascinating world of psychic abilities, channeling, and the connection between our 3D and 5D selves.
Mariana’s journey from a corporate career to becoming a renowned intuitive is nothing short of extraordinary. Growing up in a family that embraced spirituality, she was exposed to psychic readings and channeling sessions from a young age. However, it wasn’t until a personal tragedy that her own psychic abilities truly awakened.
Throughout the interview, Mariana shares valuable insights on how we can all develop our intuitive skills and establish a direct line of communication with our higher selves. She emphasizes that psychic abilities are not a special gift reserved for a chosen few, but rather an innate sense that we all possess and can learn to harness.
One of the most intriguing concepts Mariana introduces is the idea of the “anatomy of the aha moment.” She breaks down this phenomenon into three key steps: energetic senses, physical reaction, and environmental reinforcement. By understanding this process, listeners can learn to recognize and trust their intuitive hits more easily.
Mariana also discusses the importance of balancing our energetic evolution with technological advancements, particularly in the age of AI. She argues that developing our intuitive abilities is crucial for maintaining our sovereignty and discernment in an increasingly complex world.
For those struggling to trust their intuition, Mariana offers practical advice on overcoming common blocks and provides a framework for understanding how intuition works. She introduces the concept of the “5D toolkit” and explains how we can use it to navigate our daily lives more effectively.
Whether you’re a seasoned intuitive or just beginning to explore your psychic potential, this episode of Supernormalized offers valuable insights and practical tools for enhancing your connection to your higher self. Tune in to discover how you can unlock the power of intuition and transform your life in ways you never thought possible.
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00:00 – Introduction to Mariana Cooper: From Corporate to Intuitive
03:45 – The Awakening: A Tragedy Sparks Psychic Abilities
09:30 – Understanding the 3D and 5D Connection
14:39 – Ballroom Dancing and Psychic Consulting: An Unusual Career Path
17:29 – The Initiation: Navigating the Challenges of Being an Energetic Leader
29:25 – Decoding Intuition: Signs, Symbols, and Contextual Downloads
34:56 – Overcoming Blocks to Trusting Your Intuition
46:50 – The Framework: Growing Your Own Intuitive Connection
49:13 – Beyond Intuition: Mariana’s Books and Resources
53:34 – Closing Thoughts: The Importance of Intuition in Modern Life
Transcript
CeeJay Barnaby (00:04)
Today on Super Normalize we feature Mariana Cooper, otherwise known as Mari. Mari is an intuitive that grew up in a framework of understanding of intuition because of her family and her…
and their connection to the world. Basically they have a good faith and a good understanding that these things are all real and it became a part of her life over time. She actually was what you would call in some ways, she went into the normal sort of life and to the corporate sort of life and then has to actually change all of that to rediscover herself and that happened after a tragedy which was profound for her but also opened up her
psychic ability and intuition. This is her story and her understanding of intuition and there’s so many really good points in this, so enjoy.
just want to say an apologies to everyone today because we had some technical issues with the microphone dropping out and all these sort of things and I usually attribute that to spirits so if that doesn’t sound right in places it’s because we had to change things around to get it to finish so thank you for your understanding.
CeeJay Barnaby (01:45)
Welcome to Super Normalized, Mariana Cooper, Mari. You’ve had a, what would you say, a ⁓ normie sort of life, first of all, completely stressed out, blown out by regular life and all of the things that happen in regular life for all of us, which is so much busyness and so much stress. And it turned you in a different direction and turned you all the way around. Welcome to the show to discuss that path for you.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (01:49)
Hello.
Thank you. I tell you, I can, you want stressed and blown out, I can give you stories, but I can give you too. I can give you solutions to those stories.
CeeJay Barnaby (02:21)
Okay. Well
that’s what we’re here for really is like to hear what happened to you and then how you turn that around for yourself. So tell us about that. What happened? mean, it was a stressful corporate job, know, profound personal loss. What was going on for you?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (02:39)
You know, I’ve always been a dreamer and I’ve always had, my dreams always outpaced my family ⁓ dreams. My dad was a Lieutenant Colonel in the army for 21 years. My mom was a social worker. said there were professional crisis people. You kind of didn’t hear from them unless you were in crisis. They’re like, I had a great day. Okay, sweetie, that’s nice. I feel like I want to commit suicide. What? You want to do what? Let’s talk.
crisis people, you know. ⁓ And, but they were, they were, had incredible family values. And, you know, we still have the family house and, you know, they had it for 60 years and all the, all the things. ⁓ But my dreaming, when you come from two, my dad was a tourist, my mother was a Virgo, I’m a Leo. So that was.
You know, my sister was a Sagittarius. So it two fire signs and two earth signs. can, you really have a little bit of things going on in that kind of household. And ⁓ they gave me enough of a solid, very traditional background that I could go off on my own dreams and my own passions.
I had two passions. I had two major passions. One was riding horses. I mean, like riding, riding, competing and all that kind of stuff. And the second was dancing. And I ended up getting engaged to a choreographer. it was right at the start of my…
CeeJay Barnaby (03:51)
they
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (04:15)
end of my getting my MBA and going into corporate America. And I had to make a decision. Do I go and dance with MTV or do I go to corporate America and do the nine to five? Because I was like, we had a dance company and he was a big choreographer. And ⁓ I ended up going the corporate route because of my lovely traditional parents and ⁓
and he passed away. that took me, my, you know, like we had the, we were going to get a dance studio and have a dance company where, you know, we, well, we already had a dance company. We were going to really, you know, do all these things. Kids, the whole thing. And we were going to be the very first wedding at Walt Disney World. That’s how long ago this was. We were the very first one. And he, he suddenly passed away. at, you know, 30 years old.
CeeJay Barnaby (05:07)
Wow.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (05:14)
Here I am facing this really dark, you know, like what, you know, this is, I was already off the beaten path with my passions as it was, but then my partner in crime was gone. ⁓ meanwhile, my mother was always into spirituality. She was intuitive. My grandmother was an intuitive. And so I kind of had that thread kind of going alongside of, ⁓
you know, of life and these passions and corporate and all of that. And that was when it turned from something crazy my mother would do to something I needed to lean into because I was raised Catholic and went to all Catholic schools. And I found that I would go to the church and would just feel empty. I could go and I was much happier in the church when there wasn’t a mass. I could go and feel the energy of the church and be very centered. To this day, I can do that. But I just felt like I would
ask questions and I just wouldn’t get answers. And then when my fiance passed away, I took a year and I went around to every major professional medium and stage mediumship was really big at that time. And but you had to be on like a year waiting list for some of these people. They were just, you know, enormous. And I did. I got on these waiting lists and I went from medium to medium. We’re now not like
you know, I think I want to be a medium today, like real people, real professionals. And every single one of them said he won’t come through for me. He wants you to talk to him directly, every single one. And so I finally on his birthday, what would have been his birthday, I said I had to go to New York City for a class and was all about mediumship. And the woman was going to, you know, read do readings for us. And, you know, that’s what I thought. And so I, I
CeeJay Barnaby (06:49)
Wow.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (07:09)
I was living, moved, ⁓ went into New York City and got into this class and we all had to hold a picture of our loved one who passed away, because there’s a whole class of people whose loved ones had passed away. And I thought we were going give them to this teacher, she’s going to do a reading for us. And I told him, his name is Kerry, told him, I said, look, if you don’t come through today on your birthday after I’ve been through this for a year, I’m not going to try to communicate with you ever again.
I’m done. I’m done. can’t. is enough is enough. So we got in the class and she does this, you know, kind of prayer protection and, you know, has us do this meditation. And she says, okay, now you’re going to all read each other. And I was like, wait, what? Are you kidding me? Like how I’m supposed to read? So she said everybody swapped pictures. So they swapped pictures and she says, did anybody?
We had swapped pictures before we did the meditation. said, did anybody get anything about the picture they were holding? And I said, well, I did. Now, by that time, I had been already doing some readings for people, because I was already doing intuitive readings, but just had stumbled into that, just was playing around with it. And I ended up reading this woman saying, she says, all right, well, why don’t you say what you get around this person? I said, oh, well, it feels like she had some sort of lung issue. And the woman whose picture was the.
owner of that picture. She’s like, my God, that’s true. She died of lung cancer. And I went on and I started getting all these things right. And she was, and the whole class was like, and so she, so the teacher was like, that’s really good. You know, you’re really good. So she moved on to the next person. They couldn’t do the reading. Then she moved on to the next person. They couldn’t do the reading either. So she started giving me each one of their pictures. I ended up reading every single person in the class.
But the whole class revolved around me doing the reading for every single person in the class until it got to my picture with him. And she said, well, I’ll read for him. And he gave me like some little message. But by the end of it, she asked me to work for her. She asked me to be her apprentice. And I had a line of people who were catching me in the hallway asking me I could do readings for them. So it was this gateway, honestly, that
CeeJay Barnaby (09:01)
Wow.
Hmm.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (09:29)
And it kind of gave me this tangible proof that I was onto something, that I could, you know, I could somehow connect and communicate and receive long form contextual answers, not just seeing 444 on a clock or getting a parking space or having a coinkydink, you know, it was really like there was a difference between getting a sign and getting a message. That was like,
CeeJay Barnaby (09:51)
Mmm.
Yes.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (09:59)
That was, there’s a big distinction and coming from a background of Catholicism, because my parents were both Catholic and I went to Catholic elementary school and Catholic high school, all girls, all Catholic high schools ⁓ before I went to college. And we had mass every week and all these things. it was always, all this stuff, we were always saying all this stuff, but how do get the answers back? And why does a guy have to be in between me and the answers?
Like, why does this priest get to get the answers and then I have to do all these things, genuflect and take communion to get my vert, like when do I get the answers that actually apply to my life, not just to the gospel from, you know, whatever BC and all this. And so my, know, we fast forward to today, because I mean, I could take you through all kinds of stories, but one of the big premises I have and I’ve had is
It hit me one day, was walking on the beach and I heard, you know, there’s what, nine major religions, there’s 600 different types of divination where, you know, because people spend a lot of time trying to figure out the answers, how to pray, you know, God, if God has taught billions of people how to ask him for stuff, in all kinds of fancy ways, with all kinds of fancy stories.
And with billions of people, you’ve taught all these people and all these different languages and dialects and all these different countries all over this particular planet. We’ll just not even get into the rest of the galaxy. How to ask them for stuff. Wouldn’t we have at least one equally robust way of getting the answers back? Like, isn’t there a system, if you have so many systems for me to ask the question, isn’t there at least one system that’s, know, meaty, the substantive of how to get the answers back? Why would you start?
billions of one-way conversations and have to manage all these people and there’s no way to get the answers back. that actually was a tripwire into when I left my corporate job. Well, that’s a whole nother tangent, but I was in a very high octane international advertising career and I did sponsorships and promotions and worked on the Olympics and world tours and all kinds of things.
And it was a very high end position. And I was very unfulfilled and very stressed out. I liked the content of entertainment marketing, going to tennis matches and award shows and things like that. But the politics and the nine to five and being off my own biological clock with.
when I have to wake up and answering to all these people and not being able to take a day off unless I got permission, all that kind of stuff. That was just killing me. so between the fiance passing away and this career that was just so crushing ⁓ and this need to get these answers.
I started to channel and I learned what channeling was with him passing away. I started to channel him for my fiance. got like when I got home that night from that class, I channeled 30 pages from, I still have them there actually. I found them just recently. They’re all yellow and everything. But I channeled 30 pages from him and it was just this conversational response and just telling me, hey, try this and don’t worry about me this way.
focus on this and don’t focus on that and keep going. And you know, it’s like those encouraging words and these kind words. And eventually as I started to, ⁓ my corporate career was starting to meld with my psychic career. I left my corporate job and I went and was a contractor ⁓ for a while because we all do that. And then you, till you find your way through into entrepreneurship in its fullest extent.
So one of my contracts, my client brought me into a major Fortune 100 company. And she said, I know I’m going to put you on as a marketing person, but what I really need is your psychic abilities in the office. I need you to help me interviewing people. I need you to help me with corporate politics. I need you to be my personal psychic. So she had me on the budget as a major marketing consultant, but she was using me behind
closed doors as her personal intuitive. that started to juxtaposition. You see, spirit works in miraculous ways. And she made it so that that particular job, when she asked me to come be a consultant for her, I said, well, I’m dancing. I was doing ballroom dancing at the time. I’d finally left my corporate career. I found ballroom dancing. I was doing ballroom dancing.
CeeJay Barnaby (14:39)
That’s cool.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (14:59)
avidly like competing and going all around the world and jet setting and all that stuff. And this is like a couple years before Dancing with the Stars actually started. And so I was on the road with all those people that you see on Dancing with the Stars, all those pros, we were all on the road competing together. And so when I was doing all of that, I told her, I I’m a dancer first, I’m your consultant second. She says, no problem.
you know, I would commute down to Washington DC from New York once a week. I would work with her in the office two days. And then the rest of the week I was back in New York dancing. And so I had configured this whole, this whole career thing was configuring. And while I was working with her, I was doing psychic work. So it was like this whole, like I had this chunk of time where,
Oh, I learned what it was for all of the things that you love to coalesce and that the universe will come up and support you. And at the same time, I was really building my channeling muscle and it moved over though from doing mediumship where I was talking to people who had already been incarnate to angels, angelic, you know, speaking with angelic, doing angelic readings, and then focusing in on your higher self, that version of us that’s non-physical.
but animates the body and has basically two sides, the side that’s within the body, and that would be our 3D self, and then the side of us that’s outside of the body being the navigation system, which is the 5D self. And so that now, two books later and 20 years, that’s where we are today. But that was like a very quick version of the evolution of ⁓ kind of where we’re at with it today.
CeeJay Barnaby (16:52)
That’s an amazing evolution and to ⁓ me it’s obvious that spirit throughout all of that has been supporting you and just like going, this door’s opening, look for this. And closing, yeah, and closing too.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (17:03)
And closing with every open door, you’re
not gonna have a closed door too. you think it’s not for the faint of heart, but it’s true. It happens forever. It’s part of the system of answers is that as the new answers are coming, the old answers are leaving. And sometimes that can be a little bit intense.
CeeJay Barnaby (17:08)
Right.
Did it feel like that some parts of your life were a bit of an initiation into a new way?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (17:29)
Oh my God, I felt like the whole thing was some giant unending initiation. Because, you know, when you’re an energetic leader, you’re put through like 10 times the number of tests that the normal person is put through. Because you have to be able to come back in and relate to people and say, oh, I felt that before. Not even so much I’ve seen that before, but I felt that before, you know, and it helps to…
It’s a lonely path because you’re always kind of ahead of where everybody else is. then you’re hypersensitive. So you’re feeling things that other people aren’t feeling yet and you can describe them. And then there’s nobody to talk to about it. So there’s that, and then the judgment of the prison, why your parents are like, why did you leave the phone company? I don’t want to remind you. You’re a what now? A site? What’s happening? So there was a lot of different.
moving parts. There’s a lot of different moving parts. But I think the most important thing for people is to know that no one doing this work is special. It’s part of our own senses. You know, we’re all born with the ability to get contextual messages from our higher self. We’re meant to do that. We’re meant to walk the planet with a whole energetic toolkit, fully operationalized.
to go along with the physical existence. know, God, the powers would be, we all know the world is not an easy place to navigate. And you certainly weren’t meant to navigate it without your energetic tools and just a set of physical tools. And I think that’s where we’re at now in the energetic history cycle and the energetic evolutionary cycle that we have is that we’re in this coming into a time now where people are starting to get their awareness.
of their own built-in skills and senses and physiologies, energetic physiologies, it’s not, you people say, you have some sort of special gift. No, I just have a lot of experience using senses that I became aware of sooner than you did. You know, it’s not this, you know, psychic gift. And psychic development is completely different than energetic physiology because we’re not trying to predict for ourselves. And that’s where people think, I could never.
It must be a gift because I can’t predict. Well, it’s not about predictions. It’s about communicating. It’s about getting the messages you need to run your day-to-day life that apply. Not predicting what’s going to happen to you in three months. It’s about today. What is my body need to eat today? Instead of thinking, I think I’m supposed to have vitamin C because I read that in a magazine.
Ask your body. Your body is whispering to you too. Your body has its own energetic communication system. Your body will say, hey, you know, I think I don’t need vitamin C today. I need that vitamin D pill, you know, or I just need some, banana. I need some potassium. You know, you’ll, if once you start to listen in that energetic listening way and become fluent in those energetic senses that you’re born with as, and when you start to match that level of fluency with
your mental mind, your mental thought processes and how fluent you are in your physical abilities, you combine that, ⁓ everything becomes possible.
CeeJay Barnaby (20:59)
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that what’s also happening right now in reality is that a lot more people are waking up to these abilities because of the ⁓ light that’s coming to us from the galactic center. So we’re actually starting to get into a high vibration of light. And as a part of that psychic ability, intuitive ability, talking to spirits, both ⁓ human and non-organic spirits, starts to become normal. And I think a part of your job
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (21:16)
Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (21:29)
is to, and my job too, is to actually help people understand that that’s normal. And that’s usually our birthright, but in the last X number hundred of years, we’ve actually suppressed that through all sorts of different ways. one of the first ways that we all started doing it was just writing things down instead of just talking to each other, probably even speech. We might probably would just talk telepathic way back when. So.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (21:34)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah. Yep.
CeeJay Barnaby (21:59)
Yeah, yeah, and I think that that connection is coming back and I look forward to that actually happening. Now you mentioned discovering the energetic communication system and 5D frequency based abilities that we are all born with. How would you explain those concepts to someone who is new to that idea? What is 5D frequency based ability to you?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (22:23)
Well, so.
One of the major tenants that we are sort of handed.
One of the major assumptions that we’re taught when we’re born is generally people are sort of pushed into some sort of, we’re born into a culture where we have some sort of formalized religion. And most of the religions are based on a chassis where they say, okay, you’ve got this physical body, and then there’s hopefully some soul thing inside of that physical body. And then you need that guy over there, priest, rabbi, minister, pope, whatever, to let you know that that soul
is doing the right thing or not doing the right thing. And so there’s this thing out there called God that based on what this guy in between you and God is saying is how he’s gonna react. So like, you know, if you wanna get forgiveness, you gotta go to confession and talk to the guy in the box first. And then he’ll talk to God and say, well, God said you need to say three Hail Marys and two Our Fathers, and then you’re forgiven. And then…
Don’t bother them unless you have like the big things like cancer or baby or something like that. stuff like, is the boyfriend gonna text me? Don’t do that. Don’t ask for that. So you have this, so that’s the premise, right? Is that.
God is out here, we have a soul within us that could be condemned or burned at the stake or whatever. And there’s this whole mechanics that have to happen for us to get from point A to point Z. But the way that it’s really structured from frequency-based perspective is we’re actually these big giant balls of energy that are eternal.
and we decide in our energetic form that we would like to have a tangible lifetime so we can have expansion and ascension and and and tangible experiences so we allow a portion of our energetic self to inhabit a physical thimble size of a body so you say so if you think of this big giant ball of energy that’s usually the size of the planet earth and this body that you’re in you take a portion of that energy and you’re going to say i’m going to get
in that car and I’m going to drive around in that lifetime and I’m going do those things so you inhabit the body car.
CeeJay Barnaby (24:49)
Mm.
Yeah.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (24:53)
But that doesn’t mean that you’re not still the big giant ball of energy. It just means there’s a portion of you that gets to be physical. The rest of you is helping the portion of you that’s animating that car, that’s driving that car, navigate. you become the, so you have your higher self, which is out in from first dimensional frequency and above, cause it’s non-physical. So that’s fifth dimensional frequency and above. And then you have your embodied self, which is third dimensional frequency and below, right? Cause it’s slowing a vibration that you can have solid, tangible, you know, seeming.
solid, tangible experience. The fourth dimensional energy between 5D and 3D is the transit energy. So when we start saying I want to manifest, you know, new car and I want to bring that through the energy and bring it into my physical 3D experience. Your new car is in a 5D state right now. You’re in a 3D state. You go and you meditate or you do some sort of energetic work to raise your vibration that’s pushing you to the fourth dimensional corridor. Your higher self
is saying oh he or she or they is saying okay I need my car now so it lowers the frequency of the car so it becomes tangible and that transfers in that fourth dimensional energy and then you can use it in the third dimension. from that perspective, that’s part one. Part two is that when you’re in this physical body
you become equipped with two sets of tools. You’re in the physical body car and you have a dashboard, right? We all drive, we know what a dashboard is.
On one side of the dashboard are your 3D tools. So you have your biology and your physiology. You have your mental mind that helps you to logisticize your world, knows all about the laws and the rules. It keeps track of what you’ve done before. So it has memory. you know, keeps you safe. It’s very much about security and safety and keeping you whole so you can stay alive for this, this incarnation. You also have your physiology and all your biological senses, your physical
senses and you also have the negative emotions, the library of negative emotions. So blame, shame, guilt, fear, anxiety, all of that is on the 3D side of the dashboard. That doesn’t exist in 5D, the negative emotions. On the other side of the dashboard
We have what I consider what I call what was channeled to me as travel size versions of the energetic abilities you have when you don’t have the body. So you didn’t get stripped of all your energetic abilities that you have when you are not embodied. You get a travel size version of them on the dashboard within this new body car. And that includes your energetic, your ability to communicate energetically, which includes your intuition, your ability to what we call freeform channel or to get contextual messages, not just, you
signs and symbols, ⁓ your ability to communicate ⁓ telepathically, ability to get things through manifesting, to get things that you need out of energetic form into physical form, your ability to self-heal is also on this energetic dashboard, and your ability to ⁓ communicate non-physically, right? So you need to be able to sense things like the weather and things
like the animals and the plant kingdoms. you know, when you go into a room and you feel there’s something off that whole suite of energetic senses on that energetic side of the dashboard. The language that pendulums back and forth between your physical self and your non-physical, so your 3D side and your 5D side is intuition. That’s your energetic communication system. And so what I focus on is helping people to not only get science
and symbols and synchronicities and where they go like aha moments but to get what’s behind that.
that sign symbol synchronously, which is a big contextual download. So when people say, Marge, I saw 1111 like six times this week and I saw 444 and it’s gotta mean something. Is there a message? What do you think? And they say, well, know, like is that intuition? Well, that is equivalent to the ringtone on your phone. It’s literally like bling, bling, but you have to answer the phone to get the message.
CeeJay Barnaby (29:19)
Yeah, that’s quality.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (29:25)
There’s a message, there’s a conversation. You don’t have the conversation by saying, ⁓ the phone’s ringing. look at that. The phone’s ringing. You know, I love that ringtone. ⁓ that’s Paul McCartney. I love Paul McCartney. That’s the Paul McCartney ringtone. That’s not what you’re saying. You answer the phone.
And then you have a conversation, right? And so that’s the piece that’s been missing for everybody is how do you get the contextual download? And this is why people get stuck. They know something’s there, but they can’t interpret it. So what do do? You go to a psychic.
CeeJay Barnaby (29:41)
Hahaha.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (29:59)
And a psychic doesn’t interpret the message. The psychic predicts the future based on your energetic field. It’s not even the same. It’s not even in the same category. It’s saying if you stay the same, a psychic says, well, if you stay the same, if all things stay the same and you keep making the decisions as you’ve been making them habitually, this is the most likely outcome. This is what’s the highest potential outcome in your frequency right now. But when you’re doing personal channeling,
It’s literally answering the freaking phone and saying, okay, what do need to do with this business today?
CeeJay Barnaby (30:30)
Hmm.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (30:35)
Do I advertise this or do I advertise that? Do I price it like this or do I price it like that? Don’t price it at all. You’re doing the wrong project. You need to do this project over here. Here’s how we’ll help you figure that out. And then, so the first thing that your body does, your higher self is what governs the 5D side of that dashboard. So your higher self is covering the energetic side of you.
your mental mind, your intellect, is covering the physical side of you. So we turn to our intellect and say, okay, well, what have I done before? How does this all solve this problem? What have I done before? No, no, no, no. Your intellect cannot come up with its own new idea. What people don’t realize is that when you come up with a new idea that quote, aha, mona, oh my God, you’re getting that from your higher self in the 5D side. It’s downloading from one side to the other.
But what happens, because the intellect can only do what it’s seen before or what it’s seen other people do before. This is why we go to Amazon and look for reviews. Like, I’m not going to buy that toaster until I look on Amazon. Even if I’m in the store looking at a toaster, I will still go on the Amazon app to see what all the reviews are before I buy that dog food or that cleanser for the house or that appliance.
CeeJay Barnaby (31:50)
Just be
sure.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (31:52)
Yeah,
that’s the intellect. Your higher self doesn’t need Amazon reviews. Your higher self says, that vacuum over there. You’re like, yeah, but what about that one?
But what, that one. then you then, then all of a sudden you start, you see, you know, three people have it and then your friend, I just bought this vacuum, totally random and all that. And so your higher self has a whole communication system where it uses your environment to get, to give you proof of those messages. And you know, it’s a whole system. I mean, I could go on and on, I’ll stop here, but that’s the basic.
the two sides and our job is to first discover the 5D side of ourselves and then to learn how to actually maximize it. Not just be aware that it’s kind of there, but to actually engage in it and maximize it. And that’s what we’re going into now with everything going on in the world. And you were just talking about awakenings. We’re awakening to the dashboard, to that side of ourselves that’s going to take us to those really customized versions
of our life, right? Because in this, I’m just being told to say this, I’m gonna say it. Our energetic evolution as people has to throttle alongside with the technological evolution as a society.
Last year we saw AI hit the mainstream. It’s been around for a long time. saw it really like when, like 2023 when chat GPT came out on the scene and first the entrepreneurs were like, yay. And now everybody’s like, oh my God. And now we’re seeing medicine. They’re starting to talk about robotic uteruses and all kinds of things that are happening where AI is gonna pretty much flip everything upside down.
Well, your energetic abilities need to keep up the pace with what’s happening technologically. Because it’s just for the survival of the race, you have to be able to have discernment. And with the way that technology is mirroring so much of regular thought, it’s seeming to replace regular thought.
You have to be very, very much in tune with your higher self so that you have that ability to discern and to stay with that empowered march on the planet. Does that make sense?
CeeJay Barnaby (34:21)
Makes perfect sense, we have to keep our sovereignty amongst all of this because without it then we lose ourselves.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (34:27)
Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (34:29)
And ⁓ I like the way you described that, you know, like going beyond the ring tone. That’s really clear and the understanding that you can connect into where that information is leading to, to be able to give you even more connection to your intuition. And as you say, the ah-ha factor, which is that wakes you up to seeing the dashboard and going, well, that’s my life. I can now make choices. So. ⁓
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (34:55)
Yeah.
CeeJay Barnaby (34:56)
Yeah, that’s really interesting the way you describe that. Now, many people actually struggle with trusting their own intuition though, and they actually feel disconnected from their higher self. What are some of the common blocks that you’ve seen and how do you help those people overcome?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (35:11)
So I think the first common block is just not understanding the infrastructure of how it works. Because in my academy where I have people, they get the whole technological blueprint of how it works. I’m talking energetic technology, not like AI technology, And they say, ⁓ these are my tools? OK, this is my blueprint of what I’m really working with here. that’s been working all along, but I just wasn’t using it in that way. ⁓
So we have one of the frameworks that there’s two frameworks that I would say could be very helpful in answering that question. ⁓ The first framework is the anatomy of the aha moment.
because that’s where people sort of enter this world as they get these quote aha moments and say, my gosh, wait a second, that was something. Like, ⁓ my God. And that’s really where I say like the 3D world and the 5D world, the French kiss and you know it, in consciousness, like, whoa, wait, what was ⁓ that? know, so, but there’s an anatomy to that. Every aha moment actually has the same structure, even though it can be completely different outcomes. And the structure starts with,
CeeJay Barnaby (36:14)
You
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (36:28)
we have energetic senses first. So your higher self will always go to your energetic senses first. It always goes to your one of your four clairs or all of them. Clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, claircognizance. We are all born with all of the clairs, all of the energetic senses, just like we have sight and touch and taste. We have an overlaying sense of energetic sight, energetic touch and all that. And then hearing and knowing and feeling. So your higher self goes first to
those energetic senses. And then immediately, and this is every time, this never fails, immediately your body…
is a psychic antenna and your body has a physical reaction to the energetic senses being tapped. Your body will give you goosebumps. You’ll get a feeling of lightness. You’ll get a feeling of heaviness. You’ll get the hair on the back of your neck stand up. You’ll get the truth bumps. You’ll get a sense of coolness. You’ll get a sense of nausea almost if it’s a negative thing. You get that sense of foreboding, that heavy energy.
Your body is the psychic antenna that says, male’s in, there’s something, pay attention. It could be something, it’s like, that puppy, that’s the one for me. I’m getting covered in chills. ⁓ my God. You feel like there’s this lift. That’s your energetic self and your physical self working together as they always do.
The third part of the anatomy of the aha moment. So step one, energetic senses. Step two, physical reaction. Step three, your higher self then goes out into your environment and it sends you signs, synchronicities and messengers to reinforce or to you that, message. If you don’t know how to download the messages yourself and channel for yourself yet, then what it will do is go out into the environment and it’ll put you in front of the TV just in time for Oprah to explain this big concept.
that you needed to answer that question you had. Or it’ll put you just at the grocery store when those blueberries are on sale and it’s Thanksgiving and you have to make 30 pies. Or it will send the cardinal to let you know your mom who passed away is with you as you go for this medical test. Your higher self will go out into your environment, sign simple synchronicities, and messengers.
So those are the three, so that’s the three steps of the aha moment, three of the anatomy of the aha moment. You can always ask your higher self.
to reinforce the quote hunch that you’re feeling. most of the time you feel something, you say, hey, I wonder if that’s something. I wonder if I should consider that. Well, instead of just going to your intellect and saying, OK, I saw Johnny do that and he failed, so forget it. Or, let me go look up what they do statistically. That’s where your intellect would take you. The first thing you want to do before you go to Google is you want to go to your hire yourself and say, can you give me a sign? Can you give me a symbol? Can you give me some sort of synchronistic event?
Can you give send me a messenger and let me know that this is the direction I should take. It’s a two way conversation. It’s not a one way prediction that you have to pay for and then it’s over and then you have to just wait and wonder if it’s gonna happen. Where you’re giving your power away. The psychic thing and believe me I’m a psychic, I’ve done hundreds of thousands of readings in my career. I can tell you that channeling your own higher self is gonna be a bazillion times more accurate than any psychic, even the best of the best.
because you’re choosing with your free will and you’re working with that version of you that’s expanding and ascending. So that anatomy of the aha moment is, I think, the fastest way to help you to get reassurance ⁓ that in an empowered way by asking, right? And then being aware to notice.
The more awareness you have that, okay, wait a second, I’m not gonna blow off that thing as a coincidence. I’m gonna say, wait a second. I do have a little rule of thumb. If you see it three times, then it’s a sign.
So like if you go to a butterfly farm and you see blue butterfly, it’s not a sign, right? Cause that’s where they are. But if you’re like in Manhattan and you’re walking down the street in, you know, Times Square and a monarch butterfly lands on your nose, yeah, that was probably a sign. You know what I’m saying? So it’s not, don’t want to, some people get sign happy, like sign drunk and they’re like, my God, everything is a sign. No, not everything is a sign. But if you see it three times.
CeeJay Barnaby (40:40)
Hmm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (41:11)
then you should really pay attention.
CeeJay Barnaby (41:13)
⁓ Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So the messages are, ⁓ when you tune into the backs become very clear.
easy to work around and to work with. Now, I’m in the understanding that you’re a third generation intuitive. How did you discover that?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (41:33)
Well, my grandmother at the age of, I don’t know, I guess I was about six. My dad was in the service, so I was in Germany for a little while as a child. I spoke German before I spoke English. And then we lived in Hawaii for four years. So when I came home, I was about six. And my grandmother lived in our house while we were overseas.
And ⁓ so she would take me to the health food stores and teach me all about organic foods. ⁓ it was funny because my grandmother was a very interesting being. was both Catholic and Jewish because she said somebody has to be right. So she did both.
So there was inherited kind of breakdown of like, you must be one thing or the other. She’s like, she literally had a Star of David and a Miraculous Medal of the Virgin Mary soldered together. And she would wear them and she would turn it over depending on the day.
He couldn’t where she was. she was in the synagogue, had the Sarah Davis, she was in the church, she hadn’t married. But she was basically saying, look, somebody’s gotta be right. Probably everybody’s right in some way. I’m gonna connect to the energy. Meanwhile, she had garlic knots in the ceiling of the house as protection. She had amulets. She had all kinds of potions and not potions, potions, but like remedies. And she never used anything that was like,
medicinal, medicinal, She would always go holistic first, always organic first, taking me to health food stores when it was like, you know, dusty plywood floors and potatoes growing on one side of the store and these giant carrots and things. So she was that kind of backbone. And then my mother ⁓ was very curious about energy.
and frequency. And she actually started studying when ⁓ Seth and all the channels came out. She was riveted by all those books. And when Shirley MacLean came out with Out on a Limb, that whole quarter of time where she was the kind of the preeminent modern person, sort bridging people into spiritual conversations, my mom actually went and studied with her personally. ⁓ she was, know, when in my teenage years, which I didn’t care about this in my
in elementary school years and teenage years. She was studying all this stuff. had crystals and she would take me to crystal shops and channeling sessions in people’s basements. When all the other kids were at the mall, I was in channeling sessions in people’s basements of their houses and going to like, we had a family psychic and you know, so it kind of was just sort of rotated in. But the other thing that,
I think is even more of a closer answer to your question, is my mom is a psychotherapist. In fact, psychoanalytic psychotherapist. She had a PhD and she had a private practice. And she would go into the practice, you know, go into her private sessions, because we had the, office in the house. And she would go in, she says, I’m always in my head when I go in because I have the file and she would do like marriage counseling and stuff. She goes, but I sit there and I listen, I listen, then all of a sudden I get this almost like this stream of consciousness. And I just, I just start.
to speak and and they go ⁓ my gosh and it just solves their problems and you know she would it was it was amazing like her practice was huge she didn’t realize she was quote channeling you know that she didn’t call it that but she also would have prophetic dreams so we would get to the breakfast table
And my sister and I would sit at the table, you know, trying to our cereal and she says, girls. And we’re like, God, I had a dream. ⁓ shit. ⁓ And it was literally like, God. And she would always be right.
CeeJay Barnaby (45:29)
That’s okay.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (45:39)
She would always, we were like, stop having dreams, like don’t sleep, just don’t have any dreams. She would always rat us out on something or she would predict something. we were just like, it’s like, this is too much anxiety. I’m going to eat at school. I’m not going to even sit with you anymore. She would always do it around the dinner table. So yeah, so that kind of, it was, had that, I had the frameworks of religion.
you know, because my mother will pull out a rosary and a Bible in a minute alongside of the crystals, alongside of the Buddhist, whatever, and the Muslim. She they didn’t they didn’t kind of ⁓ concretize where it was. They knew there’s an energy, there’s something bigger than us. Somebody’s got to be right. And whatever felt for that time that it was expansive.
that it was comforting, that’s where these two women went. And so I think that was what gave me my kind of fluidity.
CeeJay Barnaby (46:50)
Yeah, a framework to grow from and to eventually discover your own path to that connection to intuition and channeling.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (46:53)
Yeah.
Well, just knowing.
My grandmother actually used to watch Robert Shuler on TV every Sunday, so she even had the evangelicals in the house. It was unbelievable. But every Sunday we would watch this. This was part of the Sunday routine. know, we would go to church sometimes and watch Robert Shuler. My grandmother did it.
I can listen to Joel Oelstein and then go channel a session and then, you know, like I don’t have this, they’re evangelical so they don’t make sense. they’re Jews so they can’t, you know, we can’t listen to that. I think everybody, it’s essentially, there’s always an interpret, the interpretation of how to pray is all out there. What’s more important is,
What’s the gatekeeper for how to get the answers? Because every one of these religions has a way to get the answers, every single one of them. But it’s usually reserved for the higher echelon.
you know, the rabbis who are over 40 years old and men and the, you know, the priests who are, you know, bishops, they get the mysteries, the mysteries you get, see it in the voodoo and in the indigenous religions. It, the medicine man has the answers. Like somebody is holding the gatekeeping, the answer part, but everybody gets the ask the prayer because that means everybody’s needy.
Right? So to me, my work, my mission is to teach people the language of answered prayer. I don’t care what religion you’re in. You are a frequency based being. Be whatever religion you want. It has nothing to do with it.
You know, don’t impose on everybody else. Don’t assume that just only you are going to heaven because that’s not the truth. And learn how to have that conversation, direct conversation with the God of your understanding and how to get your answers. And then you have a complete package to run your life. Running your life without these answers is running a submarine without a periscope. Try that.
CeeJay Barnaby (48:56)
Mmm, yeah, makes complete sense.
CeeJay Barnaby (49:03)
So now you’ve written a series of books. Now, the first one, I think, is your A-ha factor, and then you did your 5D toolkit.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (49:13)
No, actually the second one is Beyond Intuition. The name changed, it’s, yeah. It’s Beyond Intuition is the new one.
CeeJay Barnaby (49:16)
⁓ okay, sorry, I bad ideas in the sequence.
Yeah, beyond intuition. what are people going to find if they pick up your books and read them?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (49:31)
Oh, boy. Well, so the aha factor of the first book was, I did that about seven years ago.
That one was really a primer for just basic intuition and how to use your intuition and that type of thing. The 5D work, I started channeling well after I finished the first book. So the 5D work is all that I’ve been talking about is in Beyond Intuition. This was my, I channeled this Beyond Intuition and what it focuses on is that whole energetic toolkit.
the framework of how this all works, which is clear, connect, communicate, create. how to get that the basically there’s a whole system in there of how to get your first contextual download and message from your higher self, but also just ⁓ an assessment to see where you’re at now, because you’re born with all these frequencies. I mean, you’re literally born with them. So a lot of they’re all operational. It’s just you’re not recognizing and sometimes you’re using them against yourself. So in the frequency assessment in the book,
It helps you to establish kind of where you’re at now with what you’ve been using. It helps you to start to self identify. And then it gives you step-by-step system to get those first real contextual going beyond the ringtone and getting those first contextual messages from your higher self. And essentially what you want to do is kind of build that two-way conversational relationship with your higher self and start recording messages for yourself each day. So in my phone, in my voice memo, cause I record the messages now instead of writing them down.
I have 2200 messages?
because I can get two or three messages in a day. We have over 100 messages coming at us every single day because your higher self, unlike the religious versions of things, weighs in on everything. Do you want ice tea or water? Should you ⁓ turn to the left? you go to the right? Should you go to the grocery store? Should you skip it for today and go tomorrow? All of those small inconsequential decisions. Here’s something for your listeners to try.
invite your higher self in with the smallest micro decisions, you start to collect money in the bank of trust. So when you get to the big things that you’re worried about, is this right or wrong? You’ve built up this…
two-way relationship with your higher self on these small micro things. And you’re not just waiting for some big thing to spook yourself and throw yourself into, okay, I’ve got to pray for a Hail Mary for a miracle. I’ve been building my trust each day.
by asking these, you know, asking my higher self to weigh in on my small micro decisions. And as you start to feel that connection with those small micro things and sort of prove it out to yourself, you’ll see your synchronicities will start to increase and you’ll start to feel that sense of connection. And then it snowballs. And that’s how you build that muscle of trust. You know, so that’s what we go over in the book.
CeeJay Barnaby (52:44)
Okay,
so Mari we’ve come to the end of the podcast. How can people find you and your books?
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (52:54)
So the best place ⁓ I kind of have it all consolidated on one page is at beyondintuitionbook.com. So beyondintuitionbook.com and it has the socials, has how to get the book and all the other things.
CeeJay Barnaby (53:08)
Nice. I’ll include that link in the show notes. And I want to say thank you so much for coming on and explaining your life story and your understanding of intuition and the importance of the connection to our intuition.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (53:19)
Thank you so much.
I’m so grateful. Thank you so much for having me. It’s been so much fun. Thank you.
CeeJay Barnaby (53:25)
Yeah, yeah. Thank
you. All right, I’ll just say goodbye to the listeners.
Mariana Cooper (Mari) (53:30)
Okay.
CeeJay Barnaby (53:34)
It was really good to hear Mari’s understanding of her intuition and connection to intuition and how she describes that. You know, you can take a point of the aha moment and then go further deeper into that as a connection to your higher self. And then within that, know that your decisions are clear.
A very good point. So if you’ve enjoyed today’s show, remember to like and subscribe. And if you’re on a podcast app, give us five stars, say something nice, that’d be really good as well. And if you think somebody could benefit from this show, please share it to them. Thank you so much for listening and bye for now.
