In this captivating episode of Supernormalized, host CeeJay Barnaby sits down with Ray Crist, the founder of the Jaguar Path School of Yoga and Shamanism. Ray’s extraordinary journey from a successful advertising photographer to a stage four cancer survivor and eventually a shaman teacher is nothing short of miraculous. This conversation delves deep into the realms of alternative healing, spiritual awakening, and the power of ancient wisdom in modern times.
Ray’s story begins in the fast-paced world of advertising, where success meant grueling 90-hour workweeks and constant pressure. However, his soul yearned for something more profound. It wasn’t until he faced a life-threatening cancer diagnosis that Ray rediscovered his earlier fascination with shamanism, particularly inspired by the works of Carlos Castaneda.
Faced with a grim prognosis, Ray embarked on a transformative journey that led him to the jungles of Peru and the wisdom of indigenous healers. Under the guidance of Don Francisco, an elder of the Caranacians people, Ray learned to become his own healer. This pivotal moment not only saved his life but also set him on a path to share this ancient knowledge with others.
The Jaguar Path, founded by Ray, is more than just a school of shamanism. It’s a bridge between ancient wisdom and modern science, offering practical tools for healing and self-discovery. Ray emphasizes the importance of understanding the scientific basis behind shamanic practices, making these teachings accessible and relevant to a Western audience.
Throughout the interview, Ray touches on several key concepts:
1. The power of heart-centered healing
2. Reconnecting with nature and the elements
3. The science behind shamanic practices
4. The importance of teaching and sharing wisdom
5. The role of intuition and listening to one’s heart
Ray’s approach to shamanism is refreshingly grounded, acknowledging the skepticism he once held and the importance of questioning and understanding these practices deeply. His journey from the world of high-fashion photography to the depths of the Amazon jungle offers a unique perspective on personal transformation and healing.
This episode of Supernormalized is not just about one man’s incredible healing journey; it’s an invitation to explore the untapped potential within ourselves and the wisdom that lies in connecting with nature and our own hearts. Ray Crist’s story is a testament to the power of ancient knowledge in addressing modern ailments, both physical and spiritual.
Chapters List:
00:00 Introduction to Ray Crist and the Jaguar Path
03:23 From Advertising Success to Spiritual Crisis
07:45 Confronting Cancer and Seeking Shamanic Healing
14:45 The Magic Within Us All: Debunking Myths
28:52 Heart Intelligence and Intuition in Shamanic Practice
37:27 Protecting Ancient Wisdom: The Carol Nations’ Story
39:46 Connecting with Nature and Animals in Modern Life
Transcript
CeeJay Barnaby (00:03)
Today on Super Normalized we have Ray Crist. Ray is the head of the Jaguar Path, a school of shamanism which teaches you to take a shamanic path towards heart-centered healing and reconnection with the world. Ray went through his own healing crisis, which had him stuck with stage four cancer and a death diagnosis which…
never actually came. In the end he found his own path as instructed by a shaman to become a shaman, heal himself. Today’s story is about everything that he went through and what he learned from that and how he healed himself and what the Jaguar path could do for you. So on with the show.
Welcome to super normalized Ray Crist. Ray,
So Ray, you have had ⁓ quite a story arc in your life in that you were extremely challenged by your body, ⁓ maybe because of your lifestyle or whatever was going on at the time. And in doing so, it forced you into becoming your own Shaman.
Ray Crist (01:39)
Yeah, that’s a perfect description in a nutshell. was a ⁓ fashion and ⁓ advertisement photographer in Athens, Greece, with my claim for fame, ⁓ Vogue covers and bulletin boards across the city. ⁓ Successful for that career meant that I was working 90 hours a week that I was
on constant under constant pressure, big budgets, short deadlines. And ⁓ that pressure in that I at some point I was diagnosed with cancer and I was given three months of life.
and this is 2003. So that really paused me on my tracks and while I was thinking that everyone around me was right, have a great great job, ⁓ career and all that, it looked like turns out that my soul wasn’t really feeling that. My soul wasn’t…
happy or thriving. So with that said, I paused and I realized that, well, what have I done or what have I done wrong? And if I could have had a chance to do it all over again, what would have I done? The sense of regret as a young teenager at 15, I had come across the books of this amazing guy called Carlos Castaneda, who wrote these books about his
apprenticeship with a shaman or a sorcerer in Mexico by the name of Don Juan Matus. So I was enamored with it from 16 to 25. I read all his books till the end of Castaneda’s life. I read all his books. But then when I was ready to like take on life, I really got carried away with my new motorcycle and cameras and this whole career and the whole idea of being in jungles or mountains and working with people of energy.
CeeJay Barnaby (03:23)
I like those books.
Ray Crist (03:45)
kind of like disappeared out of my awareness. ⁓ And so when that happened, you know, 20, 30 years later, when I was 39 years old and got diagnosed, I’m like, my God, what have I done? didn’t, I didn’t do what I was supposed to. I should have become that. I should have found these shamans.
So I’ll fast forward and say that that was an absolute reason for me to stop everything, pause everything, sell or give away everything I had and take a backpack and head south. Or I said, head west first. I started immediately on my diagnosis doing ⁓ acupuncture on myself. was in acupuncture in Chinese medicine school at the time. Also, so.
So I an acupuncture, I started doing herbs, I started taking care of myself. I up my yoga, I up my Tai Chi and Kung Fu practices. I took more time alone and I managed to already stretch that a year but then like I said, maybe I should check. You know, it’s a year, let’s see what’s happening in that where they had presented it and characteristically it was like a mess. The doctor said it’s a mess in there. So a year later I left and went to the United States.
to John Hopkins and ⁓ they said the same. said, where is there nothing I could do? said the best thing you should do is take care of your affairs. Don’t leave things for others to do for you. And why didn’t you do anything and why did you wait for a whole year? it’s like, so again, I’ll fast forward. There’s nothing of it was like really phasing me. I was hearing it, but I wasn’t believing in it. And I was like, I’m either in total denial
CeeJay Barnaby (05:22)
What?
Ray Crist (05:39)
Or there’s some way out of this. And that’s what I’m tapping into this some way out of it. again, fast forwarding a story of three, four years until that moment. They were interested in my case because I had been diagnosed for such a long time and hadn’t done anything about it. ⁓ from kidney cancer, it had gone to my other kidney and moved apparently to my lungs. And ⁓ they offered me to do a
CeeJay Barnaby (05:45)
Mmm.
Ray Crist (06:09)
take part in the study of the NIH, NIH National Institute of Health in DC. And I did. And there I did one surgery, I gave up my right kidney, which seemed to be the first place where it all had started and from there spread. And I know till today that if I hadn’t done that surgery, wouldn’t be here today. I wouldn’t be alive. Yet after my surgery, only a few months later, I ventured through Peru.
and started finding amazing, powerful men and women, ⁓ beautiful men and women of knowledge of nature and life and the nature of life itself.
I fell on my knees in front of Don Francisco, who is an elder of the Caranacians people and tribe. And I said, save me Francisco. have Don Francisco, I have cancer and I’m dying. Can you please save me? And he put his hands over my shoulders and kind of like helped me stand up. And he said, listen, I can’t heal you, but I can train you to become a shaman and you can heal yourself.
And it was the first time that I, like the whole ordeal was had me on my knees, psychologically, mind wise, my body, everything. And that was the first time I really got off my knees. I really stood up and I said, you know what? Wow. Okay. There’s everyone else outside me. I’ve been trying, but I’ve been trying, but there’s a lot more that I can do. I can train. can become this shaman. have this opportunity, which I missed when I was younger, what I regretted not.
doing so.
I said, let’s start. We’re still friends, we’re family. He’s like a father to me. He’s like a brother to me. We’ve watched our kids grow up together. He’s coming here in Greece in a couple of months. We meet at least once a year. We talk at least once a month. And we’re very, close. Both him and I managed to grow older.
and be in our 60s now. And it’s just been a wonderful path, a difficult in the beginning, a focused one throughout. On my third year, my apprenticeship with him, I said, what do we do next? And he said, what you need to do next is begin to teach everything I’ve taught you. I said, but how am I going to do that?
like a white man, not from the tribe, I’m not from Peru or from the jungle or from the Andes. He said, you are gonna teach in English. Don Francisco has a wonderful sense of humor. He said, what I’ve taught you, you have to teach, you can’t be selfish and keep it inside you. If you keep it inside you, then it becomes stale and it doesn’t function. But if you start teaching, I it’s gonna become alive, it’s gonna flower and you realize,
that all that you’ve had and of course this is three years later I’m thriving, I’m alive. The people in the NIH are telling me there’s nothing in your lungs. The other kidney seems to be so much more clear. Your liver is fantastic. Whatever you’re doing, keep on doing. And of course I’m not telling them that I’m in the meantime leaving the NIH and going down to the jungle during medicine plant medicine and magic or
ceremonies giving thanks to the earth, connecting with the elements, learning from the animals and being steeped in this tradition and this tribe of the Karo people.
So…
Here I am and he says, you can’t keep this. It will be stale inside you. You have to start offering it and the more you begin to offer, the deeper it will root because what I’ve given you, he said, is wisdom, these practices, these ways of clearing out the body and fine tuning the mind and connecting those together and opening the heart. You’ll find that these were the seeds I gave you. And only when you start teaching will they flower.
and that’s gonna be on one hand that will be rooted deeper in you and your internal organs and on the other hand they’ll flower and bloom and outward. And with that in 2007 I opened the Jaguar Path School of Yoga and Shamanism which has expanded to be a school of yoga, Tai Chi and Shamanism where we teach people basically everything that I’ve learned or highlight or focus
from the many tools and techniques that I’ve learned from them, from Francisco and to more shamans who I’ve apprenticed with during these years. ⁓ I’ve isolated 18 tools that I felt that they were most deep and important that made a difference. After those tools where I was having those ahas and feeling liberation more clear, healthier, et cetera. So the Jaga Path.
is an online school now for the last five years. Ever since COVID, we had to go live online and we’ve been continuing to thrive and expand now throughout the world. And once again, I’ve learned that a difficulty in life, my personal difficulty with life with cancer really brought me to evolve and heal in a much deeper way and expand myself in deeper way. And the same with COVID.
letting go this time of the United States and walking away once more with a backpack. I stayed for three years in Costa Rica, isolated mostly in the jungle and the beaches on the west side of Costa Rica. There once again a difficulty allowed me to expand even more. Now our school is in more than 12 countries online. We have students from around the world and we teach ⁓
one week in a month for nine months and that every session I teach two tools one every day and I followed Francisco’s guidance on this for sure and I continue to but especially when he said when I said well how do I teach and he said you teach it in English and what I understood because now when I was in Peru I was dying I wasn’t there for any shamanic tourism or
some new agey ideas to hear about what colors the chakras are. I was dying. I needed answers. I needed truth. needed ways that would actually heal. And this is what I got. I I met 50 or I 100 shamans. I met a lot of wannabes. I met a lot of tourist shamans. met scammers. I met the whole kind. And I’ve come to also know that there’s all kinds of people in the world.
within the gamma of the player to the most authentic person, to the most deeply knowledgeable, to the most arrogant. And you’ll find that everywhere in all parts of the world, in all professions. But I had clarity as I was seeking to actually find healing and as I was a real skeptic about all this coming from…
Vogue covers, to be in the jungle and listening to a shaman is a long stretch. So I questioned every single thing they said and I had my eyes wide open because I had also a timer ticking, my life disappearing and I needed to really heal. So for me, teaching it in English meant that I need to find the science of it. I need to understand the science behind every single tool. And that is what we offer in the Jaguar Path.
training in yoga and shamanism. We have come all the way up to now to the point where we are offering besides the training as it is we’re offering it as a master’s and a PhD degree through Ubiquiti University. So yeah my goal is to bring it back to be part of this movement of bringing this back to mainstream because we’re all magic.
CeeJay Barnaby (14:45)
Wow, that’s
Ray Crist (14:55)
We’re all magic, know, like, do you believe in magic or that’s fairy tales? It’s so well, there’s a lot of truth in fairy tales. And there’s a lot of non-truth in Facebook and in this dry life of cities. People think that because we live in cities and we have iPhones and computers and fast cars or microwaves that we’ve evolved and none of those are a part of evolution because ⁓
CeeJay Barnaby (14:56)
course.
Ray Crist (15:23)
psychologically was still pretty much Neanderthals.
CeeJay Barnaby (15:27)
You
Ray Crist (15:28)
It’s like, I’m
going to take your oil here, give me that I’m going to come and take your come and dig in your country and take what I want. It’s just like it’s just ⁓ thugs still moving around. And that’s not a political statement. It’s an anthropological statement. We could see
CeeJay Barnaby (15:45)
So
sorry, accurate observation.
Ray Crist (15:48)
It’s, yeah, right.
CeeJay Barnaby (15:52)
I see it all the time.
Ray Crist (15:53)
Yeah, we don’t have a club that we’re hitting someone over the head, but we have bombs and guns and political powers and influences and all of it. How are Well, to my surprise, when I left Greece with a backpack, I thought I was going to have to look in the deepest jungles, which I did, the highest mountains, which I did. I thought I was looking for something that was almost extinct and absolutely super rare.
And it turns out that shamanism was never extinct. It was only extinct in the West and that’s in Europe and the States. ⁓ But in so many places of the world and with the Zulu in Africa or the Aborigines in Australia or ⁓ the Kuranderos in Bruchos in Mexico, I just started traveling through Central and South America and discovered that
It’s wide alive and widely spread and present everywhere and in every village and mountain and ⁓ jungle shamans are still the healers for the people. And there’s so many places in the world where you’re say, well, if you have something, go to the doctor and then go to the pharmacy. There’s more places in the world that don’t have doctors and pharmacies than there are. That might be our limited reality in the big cities or in…
or in the quote unquote, in the Western world. But it’s not the truth for the biggest part of the planet. And the biggest part of the planet.
There’s still shamanism through China, through India, through Mongolia, Russia, everywhere. you know CJ, I was looking to find in my teenage mind or my youth mind when I was reading Kastaneda, I was thinking these are people of extreme power, of some hidden superhuman power. And that I would perhaps learn this and become super, super.
being a superman of sorts. And I’ve learned it and I have and what I’ve though come to learn that all this is and especially with the tribe that I work with, Cairo people, is that their superpower is affection. Affection, affection, affection. Be affectionate to yourself.
CeeJay Barnaby (18:24)
you
Ray Crist (18:27)
Be affectionate to your family, be affectionate as a response to people that are either yelling at you or cutting you off, that are either loving you or they’re either asking help. There’s everything you’re going to meet. Life is everything. Life is everything. Everything is happening. I mean, just to state that everything in life, everything is happening every moment. Like this moment we speak, there’s a baby born, there’s a human being born, a human being dying.
Everything in between that is happening. There’s someone falling in love and there’s someone being heartbroken and betrayed There’s someone saying I love you and this someone say I hate you. There’s someone laughing and there’s someone crying Everything is happening now as we jump in or as we appear in this place where everything is happening We navigate it we we can navigate it and most people like myself. I said I have what I was I supposed to
have a successful career, make money, whatever that was that I thought was success in life. And I followed that, but I was never told and I had forgotten from what I had read that I could actually come in the driver’s seat. I felt that, yes, I was efforting on one hand, but life was happening outside me and the success was outside me. And it was outside me. It wasn’t inside me. The success wasn’t inside of me. The proof was that it cancer was inside.
There was a huge part of myself that was miserable, that was not happy, that was not healthy, that was not ⁓ really ⁓ enjoying life.
So when I learned that affection is the most powerful healing energy, I also learned that loving yourself is the most powerful healing energy and the actual way people say, well isn’t that narcissistic or if you’re loving yourself isn’t that egoistic or isn’t that self-centered and good questions, really good questions. The answer is no, no to all of the above. If you begin to love yourself,
then you begin to learn how to love others. And if you begin to love yourself, then you’re not out there making relationships, copy pasting.
what you lacked in your childhood, that love you felt you didn’t get maybe from the parents or the re-recognition you feel that you didn’t get in kindergarten and first grade. What happens is we establish these patterns by the time we’re seven and we have these patterns inside our nervous system and our endocrine system. You people think about or talk about thinking and have these patterns of thinking or these patterns of this. ⁓
patterns are deeply engraved in our body in the endocrine system and the nervous system. They express themselves through with our in our body they express ourselves themselves through the motor system of the body. People’s patterns show up in the motor system in the way they move in their body language and they express themselves even deeper in the way we think.
And thoughts are nothing but words put together that we’ve crammed ⁓ in this other organ called the brain, which we in the West have decided or think that it’s the most important organ in the body, in our reality, it expresses and understands God in the whole reality. There could be nothing further than
There could be nothing further from the truth than that. The brain is an awesome calculator, it’s an awesome computer, it computes the past to project in the future. What I’ve learned is that everyone that is really smart in thinking and calculates everything they’ve learned in the past to really precisely direct their future,
all missed out. Because there’s only one moment that life is happening and that’s in the present moment. And the brain is not present because the brain is a processor, it’s not a feeler, it doesn’t communicate with the outside world directly. There is another organ though that does and that’s the heart. The heart itself and I’m not talking about some kind of romantic idea, I’m talking literally the organ of the heart.
⁓ We’ve seen these amazing studies in the last 20 years coming out of Harvard Medical where they’ve found in the early 2000s, they’ve discovered what is called ⁓ HRV, heart rate variability. They discovered that the heart doesn’t ⁓ beat, each beat is not in the same equivalent time. There’s a…
There’s a shift of time and we’re talking about nanoseconds, right? 0.80s of difference of time. But it’s very, very definite and defined. And what that does is your heartbeat changes. goes… I envision it, I feel it as this like, almost like Morse code. There’s a drum beat, any way you want to say it, that is essentially reading the electromagnetic fields of everything around.
and through this electromagnetic fields it’s translating and pulsing telling the thyroid, the hypothalamus, the ⁓ pineal gland what is happening and what hormones to secrete in order to mirror this external reality in the appropriate way.
But we’ve been trained out of feeling our heart. It’s left as romantic songs, and we’re talking about heartbreak, or we’re talking, or some cliches, follow your heart. It’s, yeah, but if you really follow your heart, and if you start really listening to what’s happening in your rib cage, you can change the way you are. You can change the way you are. In this study at Harvard Medical in the HRV,
they started doing these experiments and they saw that when they put two people in a room and neither were told where their HRV is, what’s happening, when you put two people in the room…
the person with a lower HRV always wants to raise their HRV to match. So in other words, in five minutes, the person with a lower HRV would have risen, rises up to match that higher HRV.
That’s great. Crist was here, Buddha was here. If we had all matched their HRV, we’d be living in a very, very different reality today. But the only thing is that people don’t know how to listen to that. don’t, we haven’t, and it’s a matter of attention. It’s a matter of attention. It’s a matter of actually also knowing what attention means and how to use it and where to put it. So in other words, we put attention to our mind,
And when our mind tells us stories, the stories outside don’t matter because when you hear your brain say, well, you know what? You’re not really tall enough for this job. You really don’t have enough money or your house isn’t really that great. All this negative talk that we have in our head or I’ll never do it. I’ll never be good enough. So much negative talk. See the brain is closer to the heart than anyone else and the heart believes it. It overrides the heart.
It overrides the heart. This conversation, so.
So when I was here taking this whole idea of HRV and understand the heart rate variability and focus is one of the most important things, how to focus on something. And you see it, when people focus on something they can make the pyramids. I care if they don’t have cranes, don’t have electric or electricity or all that. They can make the Acropolis. They can make these beautiful temples. What do we make today? Not much compared to that.
But the essence is when we focus, we could do unbelievable things, unbelievable for the mind things. We can surpass the mind. The mind is still a part of being Neanderthal. When you can start circumnavigating, navigating every moment through your heart and listening to your heart, first of all, you learn how to stand taller, you learn how to project your chest forward, you learn how to stand in other words with integrity, you become
trustworthy, you are trustworthy, you can hold secrets for people, can hold weight for others, you can carry some other people. Your mind is all about itself and it’s ego and how to protect itself. So we live in a world where everyone is in trying to protect themselves. And for a buck, everyone sells out and they’ll sell out to do millions of ⁓ COVID vaccines, they’ll sell out to do whatever it is they can sell out, they’ll sell out. The mind will sell out like this.
What is it that you wouldn’t do if I give you 10 million dollars? In the mind, the way it’s been cultivated and the way we perceive it, there is nothing it would do for… There’s nothing they would say no to for 10 million dollars because that’s the value it has. Even if your HIV is rushing and say, don’t take those 10 million dollars because 10 million people might die, it will be overridden. It will override it.
be like, don’t know, I don’t see the people and if I don’t see the people dying, I’ll just press this button they told me and I’ll take the 10 million dollars. I’ll fly this airplane and spray chemicals and bacteria on this guy. I’m getting paid for it, I’m doing the right thing. I brought food to my family and everything else is okay. But, and again, these are not political statements. These are anthropological statements.
CeeJay Barnaby (28:52)
No.
Mm.
Ray Crist (28:55)
for
us and for the shamanic work and it’s okay this is what we’re doing. We’re driving ourselves to extinction. It happened in Easter Island where they cut down all their trees, they cut down everything and at the end there was cannibalism until every single human being died and there’s a really great example of what happened in Easter Island of how we are short-sighted and we don’t think to plan ahead.
With that said, it’s about feeling, it’s about trusting your heart. And one of the most important things we teach and I’ve learned is that there’s a couple of voices in your head. And some people say, there’s a lot more, there’s a busload and that’s true for many also. But there’s at least a couple of voices. And we all have that voice. The one voice we call the narrator.
which essentially is narrating like a parrot. I know what I’ve learned in Facebook and in Instagram, what people will say and what society expects and what we think of all this programming and all these deeply rooted patterns that we follow along with everyone else.
So we think that success is what everyone else is doing. And again, like I said previously, it’s like I’m beginning now to listen to the narrator because this is the voice everyone shares. I’ve heard it from a hundred people, so it must be true.
And we do it. When the water buffalo in Africa cross the river, they all cross together. Because if you’re crossing with a herd and have that herd mentality, then there’s less chances of you getting eaten by the crocodile.
So in a mammalian level, there’s truth to this, but in a human level, it has not allowed us to rise above that mammalian level.
Our human brain has only separated us from mammals only to the extent of just being more organized in how we’re self-centered. And again, I go back to saying that these two voices are in our head and we all have them. Have you ever said there’s like there’s something when we’re kids someone brought drugs and said, do we try drugs? And you have one voice say, my God, that’s super cool. We’ll all do this. And there’s another voice since I’d say
do not do this, this is no good. And we kind of like override it and that voice of like discernment and knowing the correct thing to do or not to do is always directly coming from your HRV, the intelligence of the heart. And again, 60 % of the heart cells are neuron cells. They’re thinking processing cells exactly like the brain. They’re also as is everything that comes down to the gut.
but we don’t listen to our gut instinct, we don’t listen to what our heart’s truth and we just go along with the water buffalo and say, ⁓ let’s do some drugs when you’re young or let’s do this or let’s vote that or let’s do this that everyone else is doing. And it’s really tricky because you know you’re in your head. So to sum up really if I would say two things about a shamanic way of being is that you’re
Disregarding your thoughts, you’ve learned, let me just say that a little bit clearer, you learn how to discern what your narrator voice is and what your shaman voice is inside you. And you retrain yourself. You retrain yourself as a sweet animal, the sweet animals, mammals that we are. And you retrain yourself to really have, to make choices that are good for your whole being. And you begin to discover that
The choices that are really good for your whole being are choices that are good for everyone around you. And when you make those choices, there’s a reflection. You send out this pulse of love and you receive love.
There’s a lot of work that we do in the training, these nine months, nine months of gestation to come to this rebirth, to change. And in nine months, there’s some very interesting things that happen biologically to us as months go by. So the setup of our meeting once a month, I give tools that help people progressively make those changes.
So it eventually sinks into the mind and allows the heart to rise. You have to become smarter to become a shaman. You have to become wiser and with a quality of discernment. And you have to become less selfish, but rather become a beacon of light and love and let go of this thing that has caught us all. It’s like, how much can I get?
And you start walking around and you start walking around saying, how much can I give? Everywhere you go, you walk in a store, you say, hi, how much can I give? You meet a person, how much can I give? Right? It makes you smile. It makes you laugh. Because why? Because energy is released in you because you’re recognized. Your HIV is recognizing that that’s abundance. That’s abundance. Here I am in Peru in this village that has no asphalt and barely has a cable that brings electricity to the village. Barely. It sounds like an extension cord.
CeeJay Barnaby (34:23)
Mm.
Yes.
Ray Crist (34:39)
And this guy walking down with his donkey and I see him on his donkey with such integrity, with such a smile. And he comes and he is a shaman. He gets off, he has such self confidence, such truthfulness. And I’m like, I’ve never had that self confidence, never had that ease inside me that even driving my most expensive BMW back in the day when I was a photographer.
We’ve skewed the values or the values have been skewed in history. So I’ll pause there and say everyone’s a shaman and the only thing you need to do is decide it and then say okay well how am I going to sharpen the shaman inside me? Go to the Jaguar path school or to a hundred other schools that exist or travel and learn.
CeeJay Barnaby (35:25)
Mmm.
Yeah, yeah. Well, it’s a calling too. I mean, it’s a matter of actually recognising that this is what your true nature really is. And in recognising that too, ⁓ connecting with your intuition, which is connecting to the heart. And as you say, that’s the shamanic voice. And I think that’s the important part that has been ⁓ dissolved in our reality when it comes to all the social media and all of that stuff.
And that recovery of that allows us to become one with nature again in co-creation.
Ray Crist (36:06)
Absolutely, one with nature again and co-creation. Absolutely So well said, know people ask me who all these years with shamans, you know some say though like that’s all bullshit yeah. Well, there’s like sarcasm around it that it’s Some kind of mumbo-jumbo new agey thing
Well, thank God for the hippies in the new age is because they brought they they open that they cracked it open a little bit So they gave the pathway right the hippies that went to India brought yoga has changed the face of the world in Australia and America and say given us so much health and clarity and And actually, you know if you go a little further behind because if you really know history and you look at some things the new age the new age a whole wave Was opened by Carl Jung
Carl Jung traveled and met shamans. Carl Jung ⁓ really brought about and said, we’re missing something, we’re missing something. And his big disagreement with Freud was that. The Freudian school and the Jungian school, Freud was like, we can’t say that because Freud was trying to establish.
psychology at the time as a science in the university so everything had to be really real because people knew a lot in 1900s everyone was so uptight and everyone was so square and everyone’s so just just a lot of prisoners of social structures that were accidentally made centuries of people went by and suffered in their heart and their mind because this what were the neighbors going to say and what is this and you will be arrested for that and just this
CeeJay Barnaby (37:27)
you
Yeah.
Ray Crist (37:47)
Echo of the witch hunt. And I’ll close by saying this, in the dark ages, people were put to the pyre, hundreds of thousands of people. Three things were persecuted. Women, the feminine, animals, they’re extinct in Europe practically. And the third magic, the Carol nations people, when the conquistadors arrived in Peru,
A hundred of them took off and went up high into the mountains and hid. They hid for 500 years. For 500 years, no one knew they existed. They lived as they always lived in houses they built of stone, staffs, they had their, the llamas and the planted potatoes. And they started coming down in the seventies only to discover that everyone that was there either had died or their spirit had died.
and found people that followed this religion that was called the Industrial Revolution and Technological Revolution. There’s nothing wrong with computers and iPhones and cars. I love it all and I love the modern world. It would be great though if we could overcome because what these people brought back, what they protected was not only their life, they protected their language, Quechua, which is as powerful as Sanskrit, because it holds true.
deep truths of discernment and clarity. And what they teach us is that the first thing you need to do if you want to be a conscious human being and want to walk truth is that you have to bow to the feminine. If you don’t bow to your mother that gave life to you, you’re an unaware selfish being. If you can’t bow to your sister who holds it, if you can’t bow to your grandmother, and if you don’t bow first of all to the greatest mother of all, Mother Earth,
then you’re just really out of reality. You’ve lost sense of reality, which is what happened, right? And then the animals, the animals, mean, who doesn’t want, who doesn’t have a pet, who doesn’t yearn to, like when you see a wild animal, like your whole HRV races, you could see a dog wagging its tail, a cat purring, and all the funny things you’ll see monkeys do, and there’s all this cuteness and sweetness and aliveness that is all God divine energy expressed purely.
CeeJay Barnaby (39:46)
Yeah. Yeah. ⁓
Ray Crist (40:13)
We’ve lost that, we’ve taken it out. It’s cleared out. We live in cities of cement and we don’t have that happiness. They teach us to learn. So the Carol Nation people teach us, first of all, to respect the feminine and honor it and give ceremony to it and service to it. Second, to learn from the animals and work with the animals. And third, that magic is everywhere and always. And I’ll tell you that the magic that I’ve learned from these people
was proven in CAT scans and MRIs and in the biggest, greatest doctors of the world in the National Institute of Health in Washington, D.C. Bowed to it, not knowing, they say, whatever it is you’re doing, keep on doing. We’ve never seen this before.
CeeJay Barnaby (41:01)
Awesome. That’s a great summary right there, Ray. And I know you’ve got to go. So I thank you so much for everything that you’ve shared today. And I just let you riff because you had so much real goodness to get out there. And I don’t think any questions being thrown in there would have added any more because it was just amazing. Thank you so much.
Ray Crist (41:19)
CJ,
thank you. It’s been an honor and I hope one day we make it down to Australia, the Jaguar path.
CeeJay Barnaby (41:27)
Yes, that’d be awesome. Alright, thanks Ray. Yeah, you too mate. Bye.
Ray Crist (41:29)
Thanks again, have a wonderful day.
CeeJay Barnaby (41:38)
Again, another amazing talk. Thank you very much, Ray. And I would recommend anyone interested at all to jump over to his website at jaguapath.com to learn more. And ⁓ I resonated so deeply with everything that Ray shared because I too have been through experiences in the past myself with learnings from Carlos Castaneda’s books and…
Yeah, have been in a healing crisis with cancer, not as bad as his, but mine was still a challenge and made me open my eyes in different ways to the world. All power to Ray and what he’s doing in helping to reveal the end of the cycle of the blindness to the paradigm of magic and how we all are a part of that co-creation and where that can lead us all to heart.
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